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I saw this movie and I thought it was entertaining. But I thought they did some sloppy filmmaking in the movie. Some of the shots they had the shutter set a little to slow and there was too much motion blur. But that was only on a handful of shots. The other thing that struck me as lazy was that they didn't remove the sensor protect blackout on the flashlights that pointed at the camera. That's very easy to remove. Also some of the shots outside were way too hot as the actors skin was blowing out.

The movie that I'm really wanting to see the Red in action is "Knowing". I also want to see the rest of "Che" but "Knowing" is higher on the list.
 
Hey Guys,

Robert here from Paradise FX, just thought I'd give you some of the % of RED vs. SI on MBV 3D. It was probably about 80% RED and about 20% SI throughout the show. All the SteadiCam work is SI and the other stuff is RED.

Please let me know if there are any more questions that I might be able to help clairify. We are currently up in Vancouver, BC shooting our next 3D film with Director Joe Dante.
 
Andrew Walker said:
But that was only on a handful of shots. The other thing that struck me as lazy was that they didn't remove the sensor protect blackout on the flashlights that pointed at the camera. That's very easy to remove.
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Yeah, what's up with that? Many times, the "sensor protect artifact" can be eliminated just by dropping a nice curve on the RAW data. Or tracked and removed in a couple minutes in post. Then again, I've almost left a dark sunspot in the last couple projects I've shot... Kinda like a quiet homage to RED, or "look Ma! It was shot on RED!". Hehe Seriously though, most spots clean up REAL QUICK as long as the image is exposed properly as a whole. This spot was taken out just by a primary CC in Red Alert.

As shot:
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After CC:
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meh just saw this movie todey da trouble iz that after that first gouged eyeball, there’s no way a whole lot further ta goed. Novelty value being a rapidly diminishing thang, da technology demands an escalation in intensity an’ inventiveness that da movie doesn’t deliver
 
I find it hard to judge digital cinematography in a 3D movie because the 3D effect tends to take up more of your attention than subtle issues like skintone reproduction, dynamic range, noise, etc.

I saw "Journey to the Center of the Earth" in 3D and it looked pretty good, but when I took off my 3D glasses and just watched the doubled-over 2D images, I was thinking "this looks like HD" in terms of the typical things that hit you about HD photography (plasticky skintones, etc.)
 
David Mullen ASC said:
I find it hard to judge digital cinematography in a 3D movie because the 3D effect tends to take up more of your attention than subtle issues like skintone reproduction, dynamic range, noise, etc.

I saw "Journey to the Center of the Earth" in 3D and it looked pretty good, but when I took off my 3D glasses and just watched the doubled-over 2D images, I was thinking "this looks like HD" in terms of the typical things that hit you about HD photography (plasticky skintones, etc.)
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I noticed that about the trailer as well, since it was a 2D trailer.

Random thought, I wonder when they're going to start selling DVDs that come with 3D glasses.
 
The 2K your seeing is in thatres is also only 4:2:2, to my understanding so you are losing some color information on each image, vs. a strait 2D screening. This is one weakness that I hope is fixed down the road.
 
Jerrod Cordell said:
Random thought, I wonder when they're going to start selling DVDs that come with 3D glasses.
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Several 3D movies available on DVD and come with glasses... Have been doing this for years, actually, even VHS tape too. You cab bet that My Bloody Valentine will be available with a 3D transfer and a few cheap 3D glasses thrown in the DVD package.

Unfortunately it's all anaglyphic (red / blue) 3D because that's where home viewing technology is at this point. The new 120Hz HDTV sets and projectors combined with shutter glasses have the potential of bringing 3D into home theatre. But I think we're still a couple years away from mainstream standards being adopted and becoming commonly for sale. CES this year did show quite a few new 3D consumer products from companies like nVidia and ViewSonic. It's getting closer... However, I think the 3D effect is lost on displays that are much smaller than 45" or in situations where the display can't fill at least half of a person's FOV.
 
Video and computer games are already using 3D with these TV's the 3D effect seems to work fine on a 32 or 37" inch Samsung. Looks great, makes racing games TONS easier, its odd that you can tell how far the turn is, you almost forget its a game for a moment.
 
Here is the Paradise FX 3D Rig with my cameras 270 & 1041, on it for the Movie
"My Bloody Valentine 3D"

Chris B. Hill
Hill Digital

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Digital gliches in My Bloody Valentine

Digital gliches in My Bloody Valentine

I saw My Bloody Valentine 3D last night and there were many, many numerous digital glitches; usually looking like a flash of a single frame with a horizontal band of white filled with multi-colored noise. It seemed to usually occur in the lower third of the frame. I can't imagine this being allowed to slip by so often in production. Could this have happened during the convergence conform process in post or what? I didn't see anybody else bring this up in this thread, so maybe it happened to this particular release print during the transfer from digital master? I've never seen this artifact in Che, nor in any other RED footage that I've seen; not once. Any thoughts anyone? Also, the over-all brightness level was rather dim (even in the broad-daylight shots), but I assume that may be due to the theater's projector not pumping out enough lumens.
 
I can't see Horror movies, too much issues with my Dreaming status and the Left Hemisphere of my Brain :), but I hear nothing but great things about MY BLOODY VALENTINE, as some of you know, it was also shot with one of the 3D rigs made up with Two of my Former Babys, #851 and #852.

The guys at Paradise rocked the House for LionsGate with a 12Mil. Budget they already have produced 60Mil.

About 70% of he film was shot with RED ONE cameras.

ciao
 
This is the first "feature movie" I've seen shot with RED. I have a couple questions/concerns about it.

First, I did NOT see it in the theater. I saw it in a hotel room on a small television set. So it was obviously not the TRUE 3-D version.

Now, while watching, my wife and I noticed that it looked VERY much like a movie shot on a video camcorder aimed at a Television release.

Was this how it looked in the theater? and if not, why did it look this way in the hotel? None of the other movies I rented in the hotel looked this way, they looked just as they would have on the "big screen".

My first and only guess is that it had to do with the lighting on set, which didn't look like it had much money sunk into it. Things just didn't look very "horror" to me, they looked...well, real life. I guess it just lacked depth?

Any responses would be greatly appreciated.
 
xaidenx said:
This is the first "feature movie" I've seen shot with RED. I have a couple questions/concerns about it.

First, I did NOT see it in the theater. I saw it in a hotel room on a small television set. So it was obviously not the TRUE 3-D version.

Now, while watching, my wife and I noticed that it looked VERY much like a movie shot on a video camcorder aimed at a Television release.

Was this how it looked in the theater? and if not, why did it look this way in the hotel? None of the other movies I rented in the hotel looked this way, they looked just as they would have on the "big screen".

My first and only guess is that it had to do with the lighting on set, which didn't look like it had much money sunk into it. Things just didn't look very "horror" to me, they looked...well, real life. I guess it just lacked depth?

Any responses would be greatly appreciated.
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I thick you need to bear in mind the device you watched this movie on: a hotel TV.
Most of these TV sets are garbage & have never been adjusted and also have any adjustment capabilities removed.
Please do not equate the quality of anything on such a device.
I saw a 35mm projected print on the big screen.
It looked great.
I specifically went out of my way to look for standard video artifacts and other tell-tale video/digital impurities....I found almost none.
The only thing I did see was the 'negative image' in some of the highest exposed 'orbs' of flashlights or bare practical bulbs used on set.
other than these 2 tiny items, I really could NOT tell what this film was originated on..and I am a film guy who has seen a LOT of my stuff projected.
I was impressed.
I think the extra bright image, the loss of depth and other things you pointed out are all due to the inferior consumer hotel television you watched this movie on.
I travel & shoot all over the place and have often seen national TV spots I've shot in hotel rooms or hotel bars...there is nothing so disgusting as to see something you shot which you know was beautiful totally ruined by either the crappy TV set you view it on, or the terrible amount of compression that cable & Dish TV puts on the video or the terrible amount of over cranked saturation & brightness some local TV stations do when they broadcast spots.
 
Chris B. Hill said:
Here is the Paradise FX 3D Rig with my cameras 270 & 1041, on it for the Movie
"My Bloody Valentine 3D"

Chris B. Hill
Hill Digital

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I love it. That had to be shot at Paradisefx's shop as on the top shelf at the right is the thru the lens projector I made for the 65mm format. lol

Did you use the Angenieux 15-45's for your shoot?
 
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