Motion Still switch

[Pablo G]

Hi

I have a Scarlet with redmote, i was trying to test still function of the camera, but when changing the motion still switch on the redmote i don´t see any changes on the camera.

Is it enabled?

Thanks a lot

 

[Carmine Scalzi]

No, they say it's not a function they will ever anable (I don't remember the thread, but they said many epic users prefer working with video and take from the video the still they need) ...
Btw U can anable the switch key with other functions as U can easily do with the other buttons on the sidehandle (for example to increase/decrease ISO or something like that)

 

[Pablo G]

Thanks Carmine

I understand what Red say, sometimes is good to have lots of frames to choose. But i disagree when doing studio photos because if i want to use flash lights instead of continuous light i would not be able because it would not be posible to sincro the lights with the shots...

 

[Wil Wong]

Here's a feature that might be helpful

Here's a feature that might be helpful

Hey Red, if you're listening, how about making the concept of taking a photo (by pressing the button) to add a marker or "keyframe" to the video. This way it'll help us find what we want, let the models or actors know when a photo was taken.

I like recording video and grabbing snaps from the footage but in an actual photo situation with models like a photography session, it is reassuring to the person in front of the camera that what they are doing is working and the shutter click noise helps to know that they're onto something by their pose.

Just a thought...

 

[Brian F Kobylarz]

All of this has been discussed - here are a few notes from just one thread:

Jarred on April 7th:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?77310-Questions/page13

The stills mode concept has changed. It seemed like a good idea way back when, but in practice, almost all of the still photographers just shoot motion and pull stills from the feed... it is just a way better way to do it. For sharper frames, people use HDRX in a different way, they use the HDRX track that has a narrow shutter for pulling sharp stills.. and then use the normal track for video with motion blur.


On the 17th, (Same thread) Jarred followed up with this statement:

the little switch on the front of the handle that goes from motion to stills. That switch will likely just be a change between two different presets.


Later the same day:

Originally Posted by William Dempsey
So Jarred,

There will be a single frame stills mode for those of us who need to be able to shoot one frame at a time?

Jarred: Yes of course... that will become just a mappable setting instead of a whole stills mode.


And later:

Originally Posted by Björn Benckert
Question / sugeston.

If no still mode. Could you not let us address the side handle red button to a "marker" it would be great even for motion. just push that button while recording and the current recorded frame gets a tag. thats' possible to jump to in red cine x pro then the still photo guys that want to snap frames can do that all they want while the camera is in record mode. For motion I would like to do the same for the good takes. Even give the director the red mote so he can trough in tag marks for good moments in the takes...

Jarred responds: that is exactly the way its going to work...



There is more info in that thread and buried in others, but hope you get the idea...
Hope this helps

 

[Tim Morten]

The stills mode concept has changed. It seemed like a good idea way back when, but in practice, almost all of the still photographers just shoot motion and pull stills from the feed... it is just a way better way to do it. For sharper frames, people use HDRX in a different way, they use the HDRX track that has a narrow shutter for pulling sharp stills.. and then use the normal track for video with motion blur.

Disagree. Real still shooting saves power, space, and supports long exposures. I can go for days on the same battery and storage on my Nikon. My Red... not so much. This was all part of the original vision for Epic; it's great that stills guys are already using Red, but I hope Red continues development of a true stills mode.

 

[Mike P.]

Being able to take a single still is kind of important.. Sure fashion photographers might appreciate pulling stills from motion, but from a battery and storage perspective, and with non-dynamic photography (e.g. Non-human subject), a click-for-frame stills capture is a must. And yeah, for long exposure and Timelapse a single frame mode is mandatory.

 

[Brian F Kobylarz]

Disagree. Real still shooting saves power, space, and supports long exposures. I can go for days on the same battery and storage on my Nikon. My Red... not so much. This was all part of the original vision for Epic; it's great that stills guys are already using Red, but I hope Red continues development of a true stills mode.

Tim,

So that there is no misunderstanding - the quote you are attributing to me was worded by Jarred.

I was trying to answer the questions posed in this thread by referring to quotes by Jarred in a thread he started (link was provided).

I did not express my own frustration that what he said is not necessarily what many of us expected and needed.
I am one of those, like you, that feels DSMC is not realized until we truly have a real stills mode integrated in camera, not post.

However, I did not want to shoot a 9mm through that hornets nest today - just politely trying to answer a new owners query!

 

[Mike 'Fireman' Ross]

Disagree. Real still shooting saves power, space, and supports long exposures. I can go for days on the same battery and storage on my Nikon. My Red... not so much. This was all part of the original vision for Epic; it's great that stills guys are already using Red, but I hope Red continues development of a true stills mode.

+1 - plus many, actually.

How about a preset that stills = burst mode? Push the button, and it does a 12 shots burst only, on one button push, 5K 24FPS or whatever you want, all same exposure or auto-bracketed any way you like etc. So stills mode = whatever YOU want it to be.

But a big yes on battery life, media capacity etc. - I do NOT want to be forced to roll video or push the damn button twice to start and stop rolling, or tag frames, when I'm shooting stills; that's bad and wrong. Yes to sometimes working that way, NO to being forced to do it. Stills is stills, and the more traditional stills camera workflow (push the button, take a 'shot - whether single frame or several frames) is good discipline and gets you in the right 'mindset'.

Oh and a huge plus on long exposures; that's NOT optional, it's needed and soon. It's the only reason I still shoot my D3.

Mike

 

[Mike 'Fireman' Ross]

Here's an idea for stills mode: auto-bracketing exposures by whatever stop you specify is a given. But with Canon mount (and Nikon mount - and hasn't that gone all quiet?) RED control the lens: be innovative and offer an auto-bracket on *focus* mode; so you can roll a dozen frames, bracketing a specified distance further forward and back from the preset focus point with each shot? Crazy maybe...? hmmm I could think of places that would come in handy, when trying to capture a particular moment with razor-thin depth of field on a fast lens wide open...

Mike

 

[Michael MK Siu]

Disagree. Real still shooting saves power, space, and supports long exposures. I can go for days on the same battery and storage on my Nikon. My Red... not so much. This was all part of the original vision for Epic; it's great that stills guys are already using Red, but I hope Red continues development of a true stills mode.

+1 agreed.

 

[Dominik Muench]

.......I hope Red continues development of a true stills mode.

yes, PRETTY PLEASE !!!!!!!!

 

[Miguel Gallagher]

I would also love to see the development of the stills mode in the Scarlet. I'll add a few more pleases to the mix.

 

[William Dempsey]

Still waiting to see what's going to ultimately happen on this. Originally there was supposed to be a stills mode and that was part of what sold me on the camera. I was told that there would still be a stills mode in that post that was quoted earlier but follow ups seemed to muddy the clarity of Jarred's statement .Right now I'm still unclear about what form the stills mode will take. For now I'm stuck using an old out of date camera for studio (NON PEOPLE) work unless I want to buy lots of big hard drives for storage and archiving. Wish they would move on this a bit more quickly but fashion work is flashy and gets all the attention.

That said I do enjoy using the Scarlet for portraits and the clients I've worked for in this type of work marvel at the ability to choose between 3 sequential frames where an expression shifts ever so slightly and one frame is picture perfect.