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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

mother .... board!

Jeff Kilgroe said:
The Gigabyte board looks nice. Seems that there are some complaints about 3-way SLI with it though and front panel connector positions relative to the x8 slot.

These motherboard manufacturers are designing these boards to offer SLI, but are not adding extra space between the x16 and x8 slots to accommodate wider video cards or additional cooling.
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yes, its often a PITA. thats one of the advantages of the MSI eclipse. It has 6 (Intel) + 4 (Jmicron) + 2 (Jmicron wirth port replicator) SATA interfaces which can be used even with a fully loaded rig. The internal Jmicons however arent as fast as the Intel ICH10R. The Intel ICH10R delivers solid 500 Mbyte/sec and up using onboard raid, the jmicron gets maxed out at ~300 Mbyte/sec.
 
JanneJansson said:
IMO raid-5 is false safety. ALL raid-5 I have seen that have faild, have also corrupted data in some way that was totally fubar, so in the end, it was just to re-do lost work.
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Janne, i have to disagree.
Raid 5 alone isnt good enough. Raid 5 + backup is minimum.
But when we install raid 5s, we intentionally kill / power off drives to make sure the array keeps alive, and the intel ich10R just works fine here.

JanneJansson said:
Best performance vs price vs safety is just a raid-0 that is rsynced to an another raid-0. It just copies the difference, so the more often rsync is run, the faster it goes.
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Here i fully agree, but we never let mission critical data on raid 0 alone.

JanneJansson said:
And another good info, is avoid use normal desktop drives in raids. Some desktop drives get stuck in internal error correction and stop responding, and falls out of raid sets. After a reboot all is fine, but if you have bad hair day, maybe 2 or 3 drives of 10 hang, and then your raid-5 may be toast.
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Cant confirm this (running >100 desktop drives in raid) at all.
Of the ~50 1Tb and 1.5 Tb desktop drives in use here since 2008, we had 2 failing.
Both raid5s went into degraded, worked on, lost 0 bits, drives were replaced, intel autorebuild, perfect again.

BTW: A Raid 5 rebuild on a 6 Tby array on motherboard Intel Raid Controller takes ~7-8 hours with samsung spinpoints, a 10 Tb ~11-12 hours.

If you drives dont startup always and dont work perfect always they are defect, overheated or you have bad sata connectors.
 
Richard Andrewski said:
Are you sure? I stumbled across this during my research for a new system I want to setup (like what you've got).

http://www.nvidia.com/object/builtforadobepros.html

Says, faster work and optimized for Adobe CS4. Of course, the catch is that we have to buy a Quadro CX which is in the $1700 range each. 3 of those needed I think to do the 3 way SLI correctly. Or, could you use just one of them and a lesser card for the other two and still get the same processing?
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The Quadro CX so far only has *very* few uses for a red workflow. In fact, the only thing it really speeds up for Adobe Premiere CS4 is H264 encoding. Also it offers a 10bit Displayport Interface - but most professional monitoring systems as DCI, Sony BVM etc use HD-SDI. So, a Decklink HD or an AJA might be better solutions and offer additional in/out.

Besides these functions the Quadro CX is a Nvidia 260 and shows pratically identical performance for 600% the price.
 
laguun said:
The Quadro CX so far only has *very* few uses for a red workflow. In fact, the only thing it really speeds up for Adobe Premiere CS4 is H264 encoding. Also it offers a 10bit Displayport Interface - but most professional monitoring systems as DCI, Sony BVM etc use HD-SDI. So, a Decklink HD or an AJA might be better solutions and offer additional in/out.

Besides these functions the Quadro CX is a Nvidia 260 and shows pratically identical performance for 600% the price.
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Laguun is right.. the only thing the CX really does for CS4 workflow is accelerated H.264 rendering. Of course, if that's your thing, then you'll be happy. : )

Lucas
 
Well this is EXCELLENT news... I wanted to get me a 260 to pwn n00bs on COD anywhhhay! :D

Plus it REALLY makes building a Red station much more likely $-wise!

So let me ask one specific one more time... is .R3D the RedCode file? The files right out of the camera? I thought that's what it was but I am not so sure so I ask even though it might make you guys laugh at me.

I am hoping to work with RC80 from a S35, and I am planning on using an X58, gladly get a 260 or two, and overclock a 920 to about 3.6GHz or so... but when you say to stack up the RAM i guess you mean XP-64bit right? Or are you running Vista?

Will that give me real time color graded previews with 2k? I certainly don't expect it to... but please clarify what kind of performance to expect from such a setup.
 
Lol, USlatin, you have the same theory as me: why spend a ton of money on a computer if you can't pwn noobs with it. :)
 
This is why I always laugh when people try to get me to switch to Mac.
 
Tom said:
Lol, USlatin, you have the same theory as me: why spend a ton of money on a computer if you can't pwn noobs with it. :)
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HAHAHA... I knew there would be someone that would understand my conundrum :devil:

But I am ecstatic to hear that I don't need to pony up thousands for the video cards when I can pick a 260 up, overclock it and only spend like $230.-
 
Oh sorry Tom, I deleted my last post and re-posted it...

I was ready to switch to FC, but I think I'll put up with the Adobe interface if I can color grade 1080 online... I am really hoping that Lagun will answer to my post with some heart warming good news about the expected capabilities of that rig...

and the beauty is that you'd be able to sell your X58 MoBo for a very good sum of $ when the dual CPU boards come out and all you need to buy is an additional 920 i7 an a second CPU cooler.
 
what about realtime pwning of noobs at 1080? :)
 
BOXXLabs said:
I hate to burst anybody's bubble but I don't think anybody is going to be doing any realtime grading of R3Ds @ 1080 resolution in CS4 any time soon.

I hope to be proven wrong but i haven't seen this so far...
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Yea, don't worry I didn't blow up a bubble of hope for that... I am still trying to wrap my head around the RC workflow. Just to exhaust all avenues: Could it be done in FC?

And what would we be able to edit in Premiere? 4:2:2 2k should be no problem... I can almost edit 4:2:2 1080 in Vegas with my Q6600 and in XP-32bit so I am currently residing within a bubble of hope that I'll be grading 4:2:2 1080 and 2k. Is that one bursting?

What should I expect with that system out of Premiere and what would I get out of it running FC?

Tom, I am prety sure we'd be able to get COD maxed out and still get like 90fps at 1920 x 1200 :)
 
Tom said:
This is why I always laugh when people try to get me to switch to Mac.
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I seem to enjoy working on OS X more than Windows. Then of course I also like using the Terminal. Guess I can't waste all those years working in Unix.
 
So how much power are these new boards going to need? Will I need to buy a generator for my tiny apartment? :)
 
you can run an overclocked system with two cards with much smaller PSUs too, just make sure to look at the reviews to get an accurate description of what they are capable of

I use a power and cooling 750w which is an excellent performer but I think three would be a bit too much for confort... the cool thing is that CPUs and GPUs need less power per pwnage index each day

Tom, are you going to use a 1080 TV? I still don't have one so I use my LCDs. Hopefully soon enough.

I really want to know if I'd get more speed out of MacOS... we could always set up a dual boot off a single drive :)
 
Thomas Mathai said:
I seem to enjoy working on OS X more than Windows. Then of course I also like using the Terminal. Guess I can't waste all those years working in Unix.
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OSX doesnt support the current intel hardware (as X58, ich10r, core i7) out of the box. Should be available in Q1/2.
 
USlatin said:
^ hehe... are we there yet? :)
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yes. computers using multi-cpu nehalems as the one boxxlabs is hinting/announcing to sell are already availabe, but for endusers is will take some more weeks.

boxxlabds is probably referring to the tylersburg/nehalem EP platform.

I suppose they are waiting for the cheaper series 5 cpus, as the series 7 cost quite a bit.

If you want to see the timeline, here is intels roadmap as pdf:
http://download.intel.com/pressroom/kits/events/idffall_2008/SSmith_briefing_roadmap.pdf

here is one of the dual nehalem ep/tylersburg board from october.
http://www.dvhardware.net/news/foxconn_nehalem_ep_server.jpg

The prices will be pretty low, ranging from the smaller 2core €5502 (~200$), the sweetspot will be probably the energy efficient L5520 and at the top the W5580 at 3.2Ghz.
http://techinsight.tv/articles_54.php

boards seem to mix in the 300-500$ range.
 
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