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Microsoft to stop selling Windows XP on Monday

and there were rumors that they are integrating the multi-touch into next generation macs!!!, or making one tablet with multi-touch.
 
hackintosh

hackintosh

4K Hub said:
I already think that if Apple released OSX generally for any PC into the market Microsoft would be in big trouble.
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you know that you could conform your pc into a hackintosh? since leopard has came out, it is possible to boot apples leopard on pc's

take a look here http://dailyapps.net/2007/10/hack-attack-install-leopard-on-your-pc-in-3-easy-steps/

or make a search in youtube

.... perhaps a kool alternative for pc users who like to run redalert.
but pssssssssssst it is illegal :w00t:
 
The Third Man said:
Apple is a head away in it with iPhone. It's implemented in Mac OS X on iPhone almost two years ago.
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The Opposite is the case.
Microsoft is many years ahead in visual interfacing, image-combining, touchUIs etc.

Much more impressive than the (selling and shipping) "Surface" technology are some other products.
"Seadragon" and "Photosynth", which both are available for download as well btw, are some of microsofts newer products and give a good idea how much Microsoft has advanced.

Have a look at this presentation, which is over one year old, - and compare it to iPhone or anything on OSX:
http://www.crazyleafdesign.com/blog/photosynth-prototype/

Seadragon is excellent to browse through 4K (or 80K) data.

Its doubtful Apple intends to catch up here. iTunes, iPod, iPhone etc are so much more in the focus of the company, and bringing so much more money. the iphone is less than one year old, not two btw.
 
MANXLX said:
but pssssssssssst it is illegal :w00t:
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That depends on your countries laws. In Germany its legal as long you dont alter anything in the OS.
 
laguun said:
That depends on your countries laws. In Germany its legal as long you dont alter anything in the OS.
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hi laguun,
are you sure? i don't think so. it's a hack that you could boot leopard into pc's. it would not work if you buy leopard osx in a apple store and try to boot it on your pc.

greetz
 
MANXLX said:
hi laguun,
are you sure? i don't think so. it's a hack that you could boot leopard into pc's. it would not work if you buy leopard osx in a apple store and try to boot it on your pc.

greetz
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Hacking OSX isnt legal. Having a bootloader before OSX however is legal in germany AFAIK and thats all what it needs - i am not a lawyer but putting os & applications on other platforms or removing dongles has been allowed by the german courts in the late 90ties iirc.
However you are *certainly* not allowed to resell such computers with apple osx.
 
There is at least one "PC" maker here in the states that is challenging Apple and the courts on this - and is selling "Mac clone" workstations and servers running OSX Leopard.

http://www.psystar.com/index.php

I know there is at least one facility running Leopard on a redBOXX.

It's not supported by us or Apple (obviously) but apparently it works...

Again, I am NOT advocating this...i'm just sayin'...
 
laguun said:
That depends on your countries laws. In Germany its legal as long you dont alter anything in the OS.
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You would still be in violation of the licensing terms of the software. Last time I checked, Germany still took IP licensing and copyrights seriously. This is pretty much the same in the USA / Canada and presumably elsewhere. By simply maintaining an un-altered copy of OSX, you're not breaking any laws. But when it comes to intellectual property, fair use and licensing terms, it's still not allowed by the IP owners -- in this case, Apple. And they can take legal action against people who do run it on non-licensed hardware. There have already been several PC companies who have started to sell Mac clones running OSX, only to be shut down by Apple. One or two are getting away with it successfully right now due to one or two loop-holes in Apples licensing agreements.

Personally, I think Apple WANTS some hackintosh systems out there. It's one more way to proliferate their OS in the market and they are not obligated to provide any support or guarantees. If Apple didn't want Hackintosh systems, they would have integrated some key component of the OS on a proprietary ROM or linked the software to some unique hardware component in the Intel Mac systems. They still could for future systems and revisions of the OS, but I doubt they will.
 
MANXLX said:
you know that you could conform your pc into a hackintosh? since leopard has came out, it is possible to boot apples leopard on pc's

take a look here http://dailyapps.net/2007/10/hack-attack-install-leopard-on-your-pc-in-3-easy-steps/

or make a search in youtube

.... perhaps a kool alternative for pc users who like to run redalert.
but pssssssssssst it is illegal :w00t:
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I was there already more than a year ago. I had OSX 10.4.3 running on my Dell Inspiron 8600, to be honest it sucked, driver support was the biggest issue. I haven't revisited it until this past weekend trying to get the same 10.4.3 install to work on one of the dual-quad Xeon's, the install hangs and I haven't had time to troubleshoot.

It's more playing with it that interests me than anything else, firstly it's illegal, secondly it would have to prove as stable as Windows for me to even consider using it this way. I'd rather buy a Mac than waste time hacking drivers and trying to trick OSX to work with otherwise unsupported hardware combinations.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
You would still be in violation of the licensing terms of the software. Last time I checked, Germany still took IP licensing and copyrights seriously.
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Funny enough, in the E.U. laws have been softened due to microsoft.

There have several complaints regarding microsofts policy, to allow Windows Variants distributed by SBE -only- to be used with the computers they have been "intended" or "distributed" with. The highest E.U. courts together with the E.U. Anti-Trust departement then have forbidden those licenses, rendering such license terms null and void.

Furthermore, several owners of high-end applications who couldnt use their software version due to dongle copy-protection sued the software manufacturers to allow them the removal of copy-protection, which also was approved by the courts.

I am no lawyer, but these decision were pretty principal, and for software generally.

I know many perfectly running osx systems on many pcs first hand - all with bootloaders, none with patched OSX kernels. They are pretty common here in berlin, especially in the music production scene.

I think i will ask one of our lawyers to check the apple eula regarding if it is according to german law - many large corporate behemonths often try or unintentionally try to come around the legislation.
 
4K Hub said:
I thought they did this with the TPM (Trusted Platform Module)
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Yes, but it's surprisingly easy to circumvent... As if bypassing it was almost an intended design characteristic. Like I said, I truly believe that Apple wants a certain % of the market to be made of Hackintosh systems.

laguun said:
There have several complaints regarding microsofts policy, to allow Windows Variants distributed by SBE -only- to be used with the computers they have been "intended" or "distributed" with. The highest E.U. courts together with the E.U. Anti-Trust departement then have forbidden those licenses, rendering such license terms null and void.
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Interesting. I've heard of some of the conflicts with EU agencies and Microsoft, but I guess I haven't really followed up on the outcome. I suppose if a legislative agency in your country decides that a license agreement should be null and void, then so be it. Not sure that makes it right and not sure how or where they would draw the line as to which agreements are acceptable and which are not. I seem to recall that Microsoft had to re-write their EULAs for European distribution to accommodate local laws in various countries. It's like reading various software disclaimers and EULAs for the USA with all sorts of exceptions depending on which state the software is owned and used in.

Of course, there are usually ways to get around licensing restrictions... And for small companies and individual users, it's typically a non-issue anyway. Unless someone is blatantly abusing the license, distributing illegal copies, etc..
 
MANXLX said:
hey laguun,

do you got somewhere a link to boot leopard with an instruction via bootloader?

i don't understand what is a kernel and what is a bootloader. perhaps i like to make a try , and test how good or bad leopard is working on pc.

thx
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http://www.insanelymac.com/
 
Impagliazzo said:
And now I'm dreaming about Steve Jobs announcing the Mac OS for PC.

Yes, I know all the hackintosh stuff. It doesn't cut it for me.
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I think that will NEVER Happen...

Apple is in the hardware business - not the software business. Everything Apple does - everything - is designed to sell more Apple hardware.

I might eat my words someday, but I can't imagine a day that we see "OSX" officially being sold to run on anmything other than Apple hardware.
 
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