Marcos Mello is my idol!

[paulcurtis]

I'm inclined to agree about the objectification but each to their own.

However as a piece showcasing the sensor, aside from any thing else, does it really do that?

This is harsh sunlight, the shadows are crazy crushed and the B&W doesn't exactly demonstrate the increased colour separation.

I certainly don't want to dig on anyones creativity and what their intentions are, but to use this as a piece to show off the Helium sensor seems less than ideal - if that's what indeed it was.

If it's something to show off the photographers style then awesome. But the sensor, it's a bit meh.

IMHO (and i prefer his other vimeo pieces)

cheers
Paul

 

[Tom Dowler]

???
We are all free to shoot what we want. Most guys like sports and women. Give a guy a new camera for a personal project and he'll probably shoot what he likes. So it's not surprising that those filmmakers chose sports and women. I don't see how you classify one subject as "better" than another.

we all make value judgments every single day. There was a little get together in LA last night called the Emmys all about stating whether one thing or another was better.

Make films about boxing (the most overtold sports story in film) or a naked, silent, objectified model rolling around in the sand, and you're choosing - in my opinion - two of the most boring, predictable, lazy options you could choose.

Of course you should shoot what you like, but how about also trying to shoot something with some originality or any sense of storytelling?

He's free to shoot whatever he wants, but I'm also free to watch it, roll my eyes and shout BOOOORRRRRINNGGG!!!!

 

[David Grigorian]

You Guys are just much better human beings then I am. Marcos is not my idol (that honor goes to Stanley Kubrick) but I can certainly appreciate his work and I am most definitely not offended by it and don't think it is ruining generations of children either. I don't want to turn this into gender topics and advertising thread but I will have to say that i disagree with your beliefs in the sense that I don't think it has as great of an impact as you seem to believe it does, I'm not saying it doesn't have any impact but I just believe it is very minimal. If Lingerie ads are the most oppressive issue in young women's life then that's a pretty good life. We are all (Men and Women, young & old) exposed to marketing and suggestive ideas through advertising that some will feel are unreachable goals or standards that they will never be able to live up to. That's just how advertising works, and it's not real life. I also have an issue with your belief that media has sexualized women, I think women(and Men) have always been sexual but they were repressed and shamed for embracing it in the past and that has changed. The only reason why I chimed in on this was because I was getting a strong whiff of virtue signaling and felt compelled to give a counter opinion to it.

 

[Tom Dowler]

i disagree with your beliefs in the sense that I don't think it has as great of an impact as you seem to believe it does, I'm not saying it doesn't have any impact but I just believe it is very minimal. If Lingerie ads are the most oppressive issue in young women's life then that's a pretty good life.

Sorry, David, but - assuming you're a man - you don't get to decide that. You just don't. Nor do I.

What we get to do is to listen. Before we tell women how they should react to the way that largely male industries try to manipulate them for profit.

 

[Peter Majtan]

...If Lingerie ads are the most oppressive issue in young women's life then that's a pretty good life...

It this was indeed a "lingerie ad" - then someone forgot to put it on the model in 95% of the shots... ;o)
My only comment was about the obvious nudity and therefore the need for the courteous addition of "NSFW" warning before the link (and ideally in the thread title itself)...

:sifone: Peter

 

[David Grigorian]

Tom I'm not trying to decide anything for anyone, I'm simply stating my own opinion on the discussion that was brought up. Peter my little rant was not directed at your comments and i agree with you, there should be a NSFW tag on it. I'm also done with this thread as this is not an issue I care to discuss any further on Red User. I feel A discussion on this topic is better suited for a one on one debate in person. Wish everybody the best and I encourage you to make whatever content you think is appropriate and beneficial for the world.

 

[Christoffer Glans]

???
We are all free to shoot what we want. Most guys like sports and women. Give a guy a new camera for a personal project and he'll probably shoot what he likes. So it's not surprising that those filmmakers chose sports and women. I don't see how you classify one subject as "better" than another.

Of course, but are we doing all the imagery and motion visuals to hang on our wall or be played in our private home? No, we shoot things that are shown in public, officially, so we as voices to the public have a certain responsibility on how we affect other people. If the reason is for your own pleasure then why are you doing something that is shown to other people? We shoot what we want but we always have the audience or viewer in mind and if we can't have any kind of moral obligation to think about what we are actually showing to the world we aren't thinking very deeply about our actions.

You Guys are just much better human beings then I am. Marcos is not my idol (that honor goes to Stanley Kubrick) but I can certainly appreciate his work and I am most definitely not offended by it and don't think it is ruining generations of children either. I don't want to turn this into gender topics and advertising thread but I will have to say that i disagree with your beliefs in the sense that I don't think it has as great of an impact as you seem to believe it does, I'm not saying it doesn't have any impact but I just believe it is very minimal. If Lingerie ads are the most oppressive issue in young women's life then that's a pretty good life. We are all (Men and Women, young & old) exposed to marketing and suggestive ideas through advertising that some will feel are unreachable goals or standards that they will never be able to live up to. That's just how advertising works, and it's not real life. I also have an issue with your belief that media has sexualized women, I think women(and Men) have always been sexual but they were repressed and shamed for embracing it in the past and that has changed. The only reason why I chimed in on this was because I was getting a strong whiff of virtue signaling and felt compelled to give a counter opinion to it.

You can disagree as much as you want, but there are many people who still disagree that the earth is a globe as well. There's enough science and psychological studies about gender issues to argue against your belief that it is irrelevant. But I'm not sure how you can miss how many young girls and teenage girls have a dangerously negative self-view? And the act of men's objectification of women also creates attitudes among men that this is ok, that it's "manly" which inspires young boys to continue this attitude as well. It all boils down to solidifying how both men and women view each other in a negative and most of the times destructive fashion that sticks around long into adulthood.

There's a difference between objectifying and using sexual undertones. If this had been a fashion spot for men's underwear, would it be ok for the male model to swing his cock around? I doubt people would grant the video with praises of "wonderful" and "sexy" if it did. No, most of the time when a male model is used for fashion, they are fully clothed or in underwear looking like they would want to kill something. How many times does those commercials focus in on male attributes, muscles, cocks, asses and so on? If it's done, it's often done for a comedic effect since everyone is used to see woman in this way. And that is a prime example of how this objectification of women is present in anyone of us.

To change our view on the world is to accept that what we've learned, what we have opinions about might just be wrong. Even if it were just a slight possibility that these things affect girls, women, boys and men in a negative way, why continue with it? Sexuality can be shown in a much more equal and non-objectifying way, but that would require men to give up on being so horny when developing these projects:
-Is our own sexuality more important than how we affect other people with our work? Give these things a few extra thoughts.

 

[David Grigorian]

Just a few examples

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRQ2CQyPNuM - Giorgio Armani - "Acqua di Giò Essenza" by Bruce Weber

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFTDuWZyiU8 - Cristiano Ronaldo Armani Jeans Housekeeping

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbfFeXPkvsQ - Emporio Armani Underwear & Armani Jeans - Rafael Nadal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gcy31SJHUc - Tommy Hilfiger x Rafael Nadal: it all comes off

Christoffer we obviously have very different opinions on this. But please dont insult me by calling me a flat Earther. I just don't think everybody's a victim, like you seem to feel they are. I also don't think it would improve anybody's self view if we were living in a nanny state where we told people what kind of moral code to follow. Things like family, neighborhood, Education, home life, friends, and just good old fashion parenting by setting the right example for your children. Those things I think have a much greater impact on somebody's self-view then what kind of advertising they see on the walk to school at the bus stop. By the way you do realize this was shot for a magazine that is essentially the French playboy right. If you compare it to the Bruce Weber ad which is trying to sell a fragrance, the LUI video I think is quite tame.

 

[David Grigorian]

OK this is really my last post on this topic, I strongly encourage you to watch it, however I will warn you there are penises in it.

(NSFW) AIN'T NOTHIN' LIKE THE REAL THING BY BRUCE WEBER FOR YVES SAINT LAURENT - https://vimeo.com/39788984

I have nothing more to add to this topic.

 

[Christoffer Glans]

Just a few examples

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRQ2CQyPNuM - Giorgio Armani - "Acqua di Giò Essenza" by Bruce Weber

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFTDuWZyiU8 - Cristiano Ronaldo Armani Jeans Housekeeping

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbfFeXPkvsQ - Emporio Armani Underwear & Armani Jeans - Rafael Nadal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gcy31SJHUc - Tommy Hilfiger x Rafael Nadal: it all comes off

Christoffer we obviously have very different opinions on this. But please dont insult me by calling me a flat Earther. I just don't think everybody's a victim, like you seem to feel they are. I also don't think it would improve anybody's self view if we were living in a nanny state where we told people what kind of moral code to follow. Things like family, neighborhood, Education, home life, friends, and just good old fashion parenting by setting the right example for your children. Those things I think have a much greater impact on somebody's self-view then what kind of advertising they see on the walk to school at the bus stop. By the way you do realize this was shot for a magazine that is essentially the French playboy right. If you compare it to the Bruce Weber ad which is trying to sell a fragrance, the LUI video I think is quite tame.

You are taking things out of perspective by painting things black and white saying "if we were living in a nanny state where we told people what kind of moral code to follow". As I said, you can show sexuality without objectifying. Objectifying men is also problematic, but the thing is that the current state of things, women have taken more damage by the exploitation of their bodies in media. If you think that parents can block ideas and world views from other sources by just "being good parents" you clearly have no idea how people function and the psychological impact things have on children growing up. Have you actually talked to young girls about how they see themselves and their existence as human beings?

I would suggest watching this film if you want more insight into how these things actually affect young girls and society as a whole.

People doesn't live in a vacuum, everything we do, everything we show will eventually be seen by persons that will be affected by it, either in a positive or negative way. We ARE definitely the people shaping other peoples world views and that makes us have a great responsibility for what we are creating and showing the world. If you want to contribute to making the world a better place, in this case for women, then why give in to an egocentric ideal that what we do is just what we want to do. If that is the case, then why put it out there? I don't care if this is for a french playboy magazine, it's teenage boyish fantasies put out into the public and my eyes are rolling out of their sockets at the level of inability to see the deeper consequences things like this can have on people.

 

[Vadim Bobkovsky]

Hey I'd pose nude in 8K too, but I'm ugly and hairy like an ape. Very problematic to a human eye

 

[Scott Welsch]

I have no idea why people are so triggered by everything, this is awesome footage, it would've been just as cool if she was dressed in a huge flowing dress to me. The clouds really make the opening shots pop to me, great job. As for politics, do what you want, if the model wanted this as well, good for her.

 

[Minu Park]

I've made a spec commercial that allows a bit of nudity due to my model wears a See-through clothes

It's a spec, so I published it on vimeo, and let others to check or something.

at first week, there were just 5-10 likes around my circle. You know, lol (Only our crew)

In the second week, my video view went up a bit crazy and bunch of likes comes up.
I wonder where people actually found this video, and I found out that it was on an adult video corner in vimeo club or something. Somebody just shared it there.

Yes,

People love Nipple.

Yes,

Once you shoot naked girl, you are guaranteed to get a view + likes

But,

I really didn't mean to make one that is for masterbation. It was for a beauty and symbolic meaning...

 

[Timothy Jones]

After reading this thread, I was expecting some raunchy, exploitive video, not this exquisite, beautifully shot piece .

 

[Christoffer Glans]

After reading this thread, I was expecting some raunchy, exploitive video, not this exquisite, beautifully shot piece .

Would you say the same if it was a naked dude? It doesn't have to be extreme and exploitive to have the earlier mentioned implications on society and people. It normalizes that this perception of girls is a good thing making guys not able to see the problem and girls negatively affected by the view society has on them. Many doesn't seem to be able to see through the technical aesthetics of this piece, but there's more to this than technically splendid imagery. It's not targeted directly at this piece in specific, but this is a part of a guys culture I think we should move beyond. If instead of a girl there was a guy in it, swinging his dick around, would you call it beautifully shot anyway? If not, then nothing about this piece has to do with the lighting, camera or images, only the naked girl and that is the problem.

 

[Ben Scott]

I've absolutely no problem with the images from a moral or ethical standpoint. Absolutely nothing wrong with being sexy and it wasn't exploitative in any way. If it had been a guy in the exact same setup it would have been funny but you could certainly make a sexy video with a top male model.

It is, however, boring and cliched and nothing I've not seen a million times before and the combination of that model and those locations and that production gear and know-how should have yielded something far more interesting. As it is, this is deathly dull, which is a far greater crime than making a sexy woman look sexy.