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Manure

David Mullen ASC said:
We're thinking of holding a crew contest to see who can predict the worst lines that the reviewers will use referencing the title and subject matter.
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Endless.

but hopefully it'll be more like
"It's true, Billy Bob's sh!t doesn't stink!"

than
"Better put on your hipwaders before you go."
 
Sounds like a great project. I laughed out loud just at the log line description in your post. :)

Are the Brothers talking about doing a lot of green screen for this feature, or maybe the next one?
 
Tom said:
Sounds like a great project. I laughed out loud just at the log line description in your post. :)

Are the Brothers talking about doing a lot of green screen for this feature, or maybe the next one?
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This one will have a fair amount of bluescreen, to build digitally what we can't afford to build on stage, to avoid too many real day exterior shots that we can't control and make look like the stage work. For example, we have a parade of cars driving into a giant manure factory, thru some huge gates (ala Xanadu in "Citizen Kane") that will involve bluescreen. Will probably be nailing a 30'x60' bluescreen, with 12'x20' bluescreens on the sides, to the exterior wall of our soundstage to get some cars driving towards the factory to be created later. We will also be faking a lot of car driving interior scenes on a bluescreen stage (the efx company wants us to shoot bluescreen instead of greenscreen for some reason.)
 
That bastard BBT owes me beer.

Good luck with the shoot, and don't break too many legs. But if you do, I know several good lawyers.

Over and out.
 
David Mullen ASC said:
....the efx company wants us to shoot bluescreen instead of greenscreen for some reason.
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That's weird. Could you pursue them for a reason? From all accounts Red works best with greenscreen due to being a bayer sensor with twice the amount of green pixels to blue. Are they aware of this?

Cheers for the blog!

Paul
 
Thanks for sharing David,

You'll find Conrad to be very helpful, he came out and helped me a few weeks ago on a feature I just wrapped last week. You won't need a DIT/tech if you have him there:). The test image looks gorgeous, looking forward to it!

Ryo
 
Thanks for taking time out to share this....You keep on giving. A true sign of coolness. In my almost 20 years of doing this job I have met many generous colleagues, and I try to be one myself. After all thats how I got where I am, Through other peoples generousity and willingness to share. But no one as ever tried so hard and used so much time as you.
Its a true pleasure.
BTW did you consider a chocolate 1 filter? I shot a anamorphic Nescafé commercial on RED with that filter and a 1/4 BPM. Great dusty brown look.
I can provide R3D files if you wish to.
Best
Jens Jakob Thorsen D.F.F.
DP Denmark
 
The picts look great and I love BBT, one of my favorite actors. Love this kind of stage work where you don't want to copy the reality, reminds me of Dustin Hoffman and Malcovich in The death of a salesman with DOP Ballhaus.
 
visceralpsyche said:
That's weird. Could you pursue them for a reason? From all accounts Red works best with greenscreen due to being a bayer sensor with twice the amount of green pixels to blue. Are they aware of this?
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It's not just about resolution and matte extractions. It's about spill (especially with large screens), set design and wardrobe considerations, and other things. Many VFX supervisors - myself included - often prefer blue for these and other reasons.
 
Blue Screen On Manure

Blue Screen On Manure

Since I helped David prep this movie, and many of the VFX shots will fall into my purview as 2nd Unit DP, I’ll pipe in here. The VFX company did express their preference for Blue over Greenscreen; in fact, they specified Digital Blue over Chroma Blue. However, knowing that the lead actress, Tia Leoni is blonde, I was already pursuing this option, since it has been my experience that it is much easier to control contamination using Blue with blonde actors. I have always assumed that it is due to those two colors being further removed from each other on the color spectrum.

I would also like to add that, although I don’t usually shoot 2nd Unit, I am very much looking forward to it on this movie in order to have the chance to work with David. I have been highly impressed with his work, and as evidenced by his extensive writing here, he is very willing to share his knowledge.

Since I came up the ladder working as DP on small projects, rather than the Assistant/Operator route, I never had the chance to work with, or learn from other DPs. One of my missions on this project is to educate David and his crew who have not worked with the RED before, but I think I will also have the chance to learn quite a bit from the experience, and am very much looking forward to it.<p>

James Mathers
Cinematographer
Studio City, CA
Digital Cinema Society
RED Owner #30
 
Jim,

This seems like a great paring and I think you will compliment each other well on this film.

I have found that no matter how much I learn, I still know so very little. That's why I enjoy these forums, and other resources as it fulfills my thirst for knowledge.
 
I'm very fortunate to have a DP of Jim's experience, knowledge, and talent working on a small project like this.

As for Chocolate filters, looking at the test of the basic set & costumes in normal lighting and filtration, like here:

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I think I can get away without Chocolate filters. However, I do plan on using them for any real exterior work, to help match better.
 
Thanks for the info on blue vs green screen. I guess as long as the bluescreen is lit sufficiently to lift out of the lower blue channel noise floor it shouldn't be a big problem.

Cheers!

Paul
 
James Mathers said:
However, knowing that the lead actress, Tia Leoni is blonde, I was already pursuing this option, since it has been my experience that it is much easier to control contamination using Blue with blonde actors.
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That's one of the "other things" I was referring to. I had the same issue when I started doing shots with Kristen Bell on "Veronica Mars." They had tried to do some car shots with green screen and had problems. I was sent down to try and make the situation better, and the first thing I did was replace the green screen with blue. The result was far better mattes and far fewer spill problems, particularly on day exteriors (they would often shoot the car shots outside the stage).
 
Jens,

it was you who shot that Nescafe spot "shot on RED" that circulates around the forums? - the spot that goes backwards halfway through?

It looked fantastic!


P.S -- jeg ku godt have skrevet det på dansk, men det er nok lid uhøfligt...
 
The perspective feels a bit off with that lens... what are the final focal range going to be?
 
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