Major Announcement...

[David Ronan]

For anyone who's interested, here's some footage we shot of the Final Cut Users Supermeet where the camera was shown on Matt's shoulder as well as the announcement of Professional Pocket Camera.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QciO6QWBbW8

Anyone interested in an LA or SF Red Users blog?

Best to all,
David

 

[casey warren]

Thats great! The RED team rocks.

 

[Don Woods]

Wow this is fantastic already beating expectations

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Great. Agree with all.

 

[Milan Nikolic]

Good news! I hope it will not postpone too much delivery for us above 1000 reservations.

 

[roryhinds]

Bummed and stoked at the same time so I'm a bit confused at the moment.

Hopefully this will not delay shipping by much and "minor" is truly minor for everyone

I just want to get shooting

 

[Bachman]

Did I hear another "sigh" in the Sony camp?

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Ok maybe I'm being thick headed but my understanding was that the 12bits was just the ceiling at which you see no more improvement from 12 stops. In other words 12stops @ 14 bits is just wasting two bits to noise. That still doesn't mean you can only record a maximum of 12 stops to 12 bits correct?

Look back at Graeme's posts and try to wrap your brain around those. Hehe. It's all about signal to noise and with about 6db for each bit giving you about 72db snr in a 12bit system. Sure, you can always go non-linear or even match arbitrary scales with greater interpolation into those 12 bits, but I would think that's when things start to break or significant detail loss occurs through interpolating more values than you can represent. If you had a 14bit system and still working with the same 12 stop range, you get into the realm of oversampling, but I'm not sure if there's much to gain by doing that either.

 

[Don Woods]

Look back at Graeme's posts and try to wrap your brain around those. Hehe. It's all about signal to noise and with about 6db for each bit giving you about 72db snr in a 12bit system. Sure, you can always go non-linear or even match arbitrary scales with greater interpolation into those 12 bits, but I would think that's when things start to break or significant detail loss occurs through interpolating more values than you can represent. If you had a 14bit system and still working with the same 12 stop range, you get into the realm of oversampling, but I'm not sure if there's much to gain by doing that either.

That is the first post in a long time that made my head hurt. I understand what you are saying but man it was to early to read that.

 

[Ketch Rossi]

If this means thath my RED's will work 100% and not 90% and 98% (for the second 2) then I can care less of a delay.

Just a chance to work some more on preproduction and script adaptetion(is this a word?).

Thanks Jim.

PS: You know I will be soon visiting you at Lake Forest, this cameras are so imporatnt to my projects that I woul like to make an event out of getting delivery of them.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI
www.KETCHFRAME.com

 

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Look back at Graeme's posts and try to wrap your brain around those. Hehe. It's all about signal to noise and with about 6db for each bit giving you about 72db snr in a 12bit system. Sure, you can always go non-linear or even match arbitrary scales with greater interpolation into those 12 bits, but I would think that's when things start to break or significant detail loss occurs through interpolating more values than you can represent. If you had a 14bit system and still working with the same 12 stop range, you get into the realm of oversampling, but I'm not sure if there's much to gain by doing that either.

But don't graeme's calculations assume the sensor doesn't generate any noise?

 

[Graeme Nattress]

No, they assume a signal input from the sensor of between 66db and 72db snr. We're quoting > 66db, so everything follows through great.

Graeme

 

[Corrado Silveri]

"If we deliver on time, but the product has defects, we have not delivered on time."
- Philip Crosby Let's Talk Quality, 1989

Please take the necessary time to make this a camera for the history books. I've got my reservation locked. I'm not going anywhere. Appreciate all the hard work.

Agree every single word.

I'm here. Waiting without hurry...

 

[Joe Vinson]

I really hope we are talking about weeks here, not months...

Sorry to say it, but considering the most recent delivery timeline only got as specific as months, I'm guessing the minimum delay is a month or more; if it were only a couple of weeks, I doubt Jim would have mentioned it.

 

[Häakon]

I doubt there will be a delay of multiple months since they just recently put up their anticipated delivery schedule for the world to see. At any rate, all of this back and forth is nothing but speculation until we can get some sort of official word from Red. The point of the original post was to convey that even more improvements to the system are coming, and these may delay things slightly. To avoid more confusion and/or assumptions about it, I'm going to close this topic until someone from Red is ready (at their own discretion and when they feel ready) to make an updated announcement.