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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Lumiere 3D

Interesting, I have not seen this until now.

I wonder if baseline means "Inter-Occular" (Inter-Axial)? I assume it dose because 65mm=2.5"=average human eyes apart...

A fixed IO is problematic like the panasonic camera but I do have to say the 4k rez is impressive!

Nice find,
Prost,
Rich
 
Jim Cummings said:
Has anyone else seen this thing?
http://www.viewplus.co.jp/product/07/04_en.html
It looks awfully familiar.
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I've known the ViewPlus guys for awhile now and have seen a lot of their technology. This camera is far from the only cool thing they do. ViewPlus has been in business for quite awhile and has an established clientele.

At this past year's Interbee, in the TJC stand, attendees were able to see SCRATCH reading uncompressed 4K raw files directly from the 2D version of this camera. The 2D version records a 4K 2:1 uncompressed signal at up to 60fps either to an external recorder, or via a cable directly into the PCI-e buss formatted directly for an NVidia frame buffer.

It's a niche product, but a very cool company and really nice people.

Best,

Lucas


Lucas Wilson
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Business Development
3ality Digital
 
It is an impressive piece of engineering, but also strikes me as a "world's tallest midget" kind of thing. 4K camera with 65mm fixed IO is not very useful for most things. We are weeks into a major feature being shot with EPIC and have used IO settings in the range of 65mm on maybe five shots or less. Fixed IO has its place in inexpensive, easy to use consumer devices but is far too limiting for most production work. It is tantamount to shooting with a fixed focus lens, maybe worse.
 
Rich Schaefer said:
Interesting, I have not seen this until now.

I wonder if baseline means "Inter-Occular" (Inter-Axial)? I assume it dose because 65mm=2.5"=average human eyes apart...

A fixed IO is problematic like the panasonic camera but I do have to say the 4k rez is impressive!

Nice find,
Prost,
Rich
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“Base line”, comes from an old photogrammetry term. The distance the cameras are separated by is usually referred to as the “Stereo Base”, usually algebraically denoted by the letter ‘B”. Sometimes referred to also as the “base separation”.

I believe the term ‘Inter Occular Distance comes from Lenny Lipton, or perhaps Starks. Its origin might be much earlier than that (I don’t really know), for example used for binocular microscopes etc.

I have to admit that I find the term “Inter Ocular Distance”, a bit of a misnomer. [I know at this point I sound like a stuffy old git with a broom shoved in a rather unusual space]. Classically an “Ocular” is basically the lens and lens system that physically presents itself to the eye i.e. an eye piece (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyepiece) . Conversely the ‘Objective” or Objective lens is the glass that points at the object. IOD might more accurately describe what is often referred to as the inter-pupillary distance. Or you could say IOD stands for Inter Objective Distance, which would also be more accurate.

“Stereo Base”, is a little more accurate as it refers to the distance in 3d space between the rear nodal points of the left and right imaging systems. So the distance is well defined or holds up if the cameras are parallel or convergent (theoretically).

In stereo cinematography, Stereo Base or base, or B or SB, will never catch on, as IOD seems cooler or more catchy.

However you guys might have much better reasons for saying IOD?

Ta.
 
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Jason Goodman said:
It is an impressive piece of engineering, but also strikes me as a "world's tallest midget" kind of thing. 4K camera with 65mm fixed IO is not very useful for most things. We are weeks into a major feature being shot with EPIC and have used IO settings in the range of 65mm on maybe five shots or less. Fixed IO has its place in inexpensive, easy to use consumer devices but is far too limiting for most production work. It is tantamount to shooting with a fixed focus lens, maybe worse.
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"Worlds Tallest Midget" that is funny, I'm sure the Flying spaghetti Monster would be impressed by that.

What kind of IODs are you guys using for what types of shots these days?

(Especially on EPIC and what sorts of focal lengths/lenses?)

Cheers,

Eric
 
Lucas Wilson said:
I've known the ViewPlus guys for awhile now and have seen a lot of their technology. This camera is far from the only cool thing they do. ViewPlus has been in business for quite awhile and has an established clientele.

At this past year's Interbee, in the TJC stand, attendees were able to see SCRATCH reading uncompressed 4K raw files directly from the 2D version of this camera. The 2D version records a 4K 2:1 uncompressed signal at up to 60fps either to an external recorder, or via a cable directly into the PCI-e buss formatted directly for an NVidia frame buffer.

It's a niche product, but a very cool company and really nice people.

Best,

Lucas


Lucas Wilson
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Business Development
3ality Digital
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My Japanese is nonexistent but it seems a pair of mono versions might offer more flexibility.

Given that you have actually seen 4k uncompressed from these “instruments”, in terms of how the imagery looked on a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is the look you get from an industrial camera and 10 is an EPIC, what score would you give it?

Just wondered if the look of the imagery managed to depart substantially from an industrial or consumer “look”?

Cheers,

Eric

[We would love to have a high quality, high res dynamic system that had a “Global Shutter” that doesn’t have an industrial look (for special apps). The SONY Q67 with it’s fabled 100% green claims to have global shuttering, but the form factor seems rather conservative and awkward for s-3d (at least by today’s thinking). I wonder if SONY will bring out a chopped down block or cube version of the Q67 4K that can be cabled to other units? ...Or whether RED/EPIC and future RED hardware will stand realtively alone in terms of useful form factor for 4k++ (S-3d)?]
 
In any feature, commercial or tv ep IAD (IO, whatever) distances go as low as 1/4 inch or even less depending on focal length, near and far subjects, desired 3D effect etc. We are shooting the lenses of the cinematographer's choice as we should be, not telling him "what not to use for 3D". He is making choices that are 3D friendly of his own volition which is nice.
 
Jason Goodman said:
He is making choices that are 3D friendly of his own volition which is nice.
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Jason thanks very much for that.

This sort of conjures up an image of the Cinematographer being presented with two trolleys of lenses, with a Jeeves type butler/character quietly hovering in the back ground. The Cinematographer extends a finger to motion tentatively towards a Zeiss/Arri 180mm Ultra Prime with a quizzically raised eyebrow; then starts to motion with a more hopeful expression at the 135mm Ultra Prime. [A muffled cough…] “Sir..if I may be so bold as to make a recommendation… perhaps Sir might enjoy the …”

It’s wonderful to hear what you say, and obviously with the level of care that you bring, the Cinematographers feel completely in control of what they are doing and yet make the right choices.

That is nice

Cheers,

Eric

[P.s. Don’t worry about the IOD thing, it’s only me I think that has a problem with the term, (that’s my problem I don’t want to make it yours…)]
 
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