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LOST Series and Finale Brilliant!

Jason Ramsey said:
And, Desmond also told him that "none of this matters", which is essentially the statement of the whole of season 6 and its finale... nothing that came before matters... everyone is dead. don't ask questions... just hold hands and feel good... lame...
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But Desmond was wrong. He said so himself. What happened on the island did matter. It really happened, in the reality we all know to be true. Jack saved the island (and possibly the world), Kate, Sawyer and the gang escaped on the plane. Sun & Jin drowned. It all happened in real life.

The reality where Jack was a father and Sawyer was a cop is the one that was revealed at the end to have been some sort of afterlife. There they all remembered their previous lives, and were able to move on together.

It was perfect.
 
yes, it really happened. Season six will just tell you that none of it mattered b/c they are all dead.

None of it matters b/c apparently the entire point of the show was that they would all reunite in some false reality and walk together into the light (except apparently for some characters who were established as special and important very early on... like Walt, for example)... which has absolutely nothing to do with the previous 5 years of this show, and has no natural attachment to or extension from it. It is completely independent of that entire 5 years, and the entire season was 100% contrived in order to execute a lame non-explanation that negates the importance and value of everything that came before it... The characters, all their choices, decisions, mystery of the island, etc are now completely irrelevant, b/c it was going to end up the same, no matter what happened. and the way it was going to end up was this false reality waiting for them to find each other again... what does that have to do with anything about lost, and how is it genuinely a lasting conclusion?
 
I think anyone who expected everything to be explained and spoon fed, is completely missing the point of the show.
It's mythology. They answered enough questions to tell the story and left enough unanswered for you to make up your own mind - and yes, debate endlessly. But my view is that whatever it meant to you is correct - which after all, is the whole point of mythology in the first place. Mythology is not history - it doesn't have to have all the answers laid out, only provide enough for you to fill in the blanks with whatever is important to you. That's why Lost works in so many different cultures and religions. My christian friends loved it just as much as my jewish friends and I loved it as much as they did, and I'm a hardcore atheist who grew up in a different culture. Lost transcends cultures because of the mythology, not in spite of it.

At the end of it all, after all the weirdness and the mythology and the mystery of what the island was and why they were there and what was real and what was not, it was always about the relationships of the characters - ultimately that's the only thing that matters.

I thought the finale was superb. Immensely satisfying on every level for this fan from day one. One of the finest series finales I can remember seeing - and I've seen a lot of them.

I know that's my subjective opinion and I know many others will feel differently.
But you know what? I honestly don't care. To each his own.
The show works for me. I'm not going to try to "explain" it to someone else because my approach to it will always be different than theirs - because they have been filling in the blanks for 6 years with something different from what I've been filling the blanks with. There's really not much more I can say...
 
I think anyone who expected everything to be explained and spoon fed, is completely missing the point of the show.
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I think anyone who watched the whole of season six up until the finally was fully prepared for the fact that a lot of things were not going to be answered in a remaining 2.5 hour block... My expectations were low in that regard, and I had resolved myself to be ok with that. But, I was still hopeful for a solid resolution to the grander mystery of the show. anywaysss...
 
Jason Ramsey said:
I think anyone who watched the whole of season six up until the finally was fully prepared for the fact that a lot of things were not going to be answered in a remaining 2.5 hour block... My expectations were low in that regard, and I had resolved myself to be ok with that. But, I was still hopeful for a solid resolution to the grander mystery of the show. anywaysss...
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2.5h block?

I couldnt watch live so i downloaded the show today. But it's only 50min x2. Am I missing something?
 
Miguel "Macgregor" De Olaso said:
2.5h block?

I couldnt watch live so i downloaded the show today. But it's only 50min x2. Am I missing something?
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the time slot for the actual finale ran (in my time zone) from 8pm until 10:30pm. It was preceeded by a two-hour "reviewing lost" feature as well.
 
I watched the first series but it took me a month to watch the season finale. So I thought this aint gonna happen.

I couldn't get past the blend of brilliant storytelling and structuring mixed with some of the worst storytelling and manipulation. I find the whole thing so openly manipulative that I could not get into it. Plus a lifestyle that will not allow for TV series doesn't help.
 
Actually to be truthful I thought the cinematographer took a wee holiday for this finale = they tried to do some 'epic' scenes with the rain. etc... but generally it lacked the hand rubbed glow that the preceeding seasons had.
Felt a bit rushed I say. I would have graded the 'awakening' flashbacks differently....
But whatever ... it's over. I personally slaved over watching it each week, ordered a special sushi dinner each week to celebrate Jin catching urchins and other sea life... this was truly one of the most enjoyable tv experiences of the last few years.
Good on you, Lost....
 
Randall League said:
Started going downhill when JJ left.
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I thought JJ was only really involed in the first and part of the second series. He is named as Exec Prod but he hasn't had a creative input for the mammoth share of the show, has he?

I noticed that Jimmy Wales (Mr Wiki) is petitioning for more lost whatever form they may be. I seriously hope they nip this in the bud. No more Lost...please! No spin offs, mini-series, movie adaptations...
 
Who do all the harsh critics on this forum think they are? Do they have any idea how many awards LOST has been nominated for and how many it has won or how many viewers it has consistently held over six years of the most competitive entertainment market in history? Do they even understand how extremely difficult it is to create something (anything) as successful and as complex as six years of LOST?

I simply asked for what I believe to be a much deserved standing ovation to the hardworking cast and crew as they celebrate the finale of a job superbly executed. How in the world can you turn this thread into a piss-rant of underserved negativity?

Show some respect. Find something good to say. The hundreds (if not thousands) of filmmaking craftsmen that worked on the LOST series deserve better from the RED community. This wasn't a "what did you think of the ending?" or "here's my opinion" thread. It was a straightforward congratulatory thread to what I believe are some of the most talented people in the business.

To those that found something nice to say. Thank you.

-michael zaletel
 
Who do all the harsh critics on this forum think they are? Do they have any idea how many awards LOST has been nominated for and how many it has won or how many viewers it has consistently held over six years of the most competitive entertainment market in history? Do they even understand how extremely difficult it is to create something (anything) as successful and as complex as six years of LOST?
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I wouldn't dispute any of that, really... never was the intention... But, I don't have to stomach the ending as a result. and, until it was finally over, it is difficult to judge that show (subjectively, of course) as successful or not from an audience members perspective. Personally, I think they took 5 years of award winning material and threw it all away with the last season... in particular the last episode.

I simply asked for what I believe to be a much deserved standing ovation to the hardworking cast and crew as they celebrate the finale of a job superbly executed. How in the world can you turn this thread into a piss-rant of underserved negativity?
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Really? I missed that, that was your sole intention in posting this thread, since the title has the words "Finale Brilliant" in it.

I see absolutely zero conflict of interest in being able to acknowledge the difficult, and amazing work that went into LOST over the years, to make such captivating television, vs. the opinion of whether or not the show was successful from an audience members perspective, when it was actually all over.

In fact, the admiration that you laud upon the show (which I do not disagree with) only makes me feel all the more disappointed by its resolve. Had the show sucked for 5 years, I don't think anyone would give a damn. But, b/c it was so captivating, I think many feel sorely let down, by the simplistically vague *explanation* that lacked the creativity of all that had come before it.

The fact that it was quite an undertaking and achievement is a given in this conversation, I think. But, that doesn't really play into whether the audience who invested their time in the story and characters feel that it was ultimately a complete book, closed in an appropriate manner. Everyone will have different viewpoints on that, and "haterism" really isn't a relevant defense there, imo.

Admiring the work that was done, and feeling satisfied as an audience member are not dependent on one another. This thread seems to be about both of those things. If it's about acknowledging the effort, I agree... applause all around. If it's about my feelings of the resolution of the story as an audience member... Well, I'm disappointed.
 
Jason Ramsey said:
If it's about acknowledging the effort, I agree... applause all around. If it's about my feelings of the resolution of the story as an audience member... Well, I'm disappointed.
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I respect and appreciate that Jason.

-michael zaletel
 
michael zaletel said:
I don't believe the final shot of the wreckage on the beach means everyone died in the initial plane crash. They didn't show a close-up of a key character dead in a plane seat for example.
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There were also footprints in the sand during those shots =). Proving ppl walked away!!! haha
 
michael zaletel said:
Hi Mark:

I'm not convinced they did take the purgatory route.

Jack's father said "everything that's happened to you did happen to you".

I don't believe the final shot of the wreckage on the beach means everyone died in the initial plane crash. They didn't show a close-up of a key character dead in a plane seat for example.

We know the plane crash only happened because Desmond didn't push the button. We know another time path was created when they went back in time and destroyed that hatch. There was clearly a time travel (parallel universes) element in the show we may never fully understand... as if any human ever could fully comprehend the absence of time or the existence of parallel universes.

The key to the events which lead to each characters ultimate transformation is not "when" it happened, but that it happened somewhere along the circular path of their lives. If some people think those things happened along the path of their "after" lives, I have no problem with that, I just don't think that was explicitly stated or necessary for the ending to work. Remember the ending of "Somewhere in Time"?

-michael zaletel
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Jack:
"Theyre all dead?"

Christian Shepard: (Dont know why I never noticed his crazy name before!)
"Everyone Dies, Kiddo. Some of 'em before you, some of 'em Long after you"

I took this to mean that there was no concept of "Time" in this Limbo, and that the other Losties had gone about their lives until an eventual natural (or otherwise) death.

This was also evident from Hurley telling Ben he was a "great number 2" (haha, number 2) which meant they had spent time together after the final events on the island.

All this only annoyed me more because there was no "reward" for the heroic characters like charlie. They were still dead. Also, does poor baby Aaron have to be a baby for the whole of the afterlife???? what the what?!?!

I have to say I was pretty furious with the ending. It was a bit of a cop out. I think I would have preferred a silly explanation. I was enjoying rewatching the previous seasons, noticing bits I hadnt before, understanding certain parts more, but now that there is no greater meaning or explanation to the events on the island, Ive Lost (pardon the pun) all interest.

Having said that, hats off to them for keeping me entertained and glued to my seat throughout 6 seasons. It was an excellent show, with a great cast and yes, very clever writing.

Shame about the ending, thats all.
 
Andrew clemson said:
It was an excellent show, with a great cast and yes, very clever writing.
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And the best damn crew(s) who worked really f'ing hard...

I've been very lucky to have worked on it S5 and S6. Greatest crew I've had the pleasure of working with.

As to the cinematography of the finale - It is my humble opinion that it was done as well as we could have under the conditions and circumstances at the time. Mr. Bartley and Mr. St. John do marvelous work in the shortest times possible. That cliff work was insanely difficult every day we were there, and we made it rain on top of that. All gear was hand carried there (refer to the aerial shots for an idea). No one was on any kind of "wee holiday"...
 
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