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looking for a cooke panchro set.

I guess you mean ones that were rehoused at great expense!
 
Good luck. They are lovely and hard to find.
I hope you are aware that the 18mm is vignetting quite heavily and that they all are breathing a bit, even in the van diemen rehousing.

I really love these on RedOne!
 
http://westcoastcinevideo.com/WCCVMain/Prime_Lenses.html

Best set I've found on line.

Best to get them rehoused already as the price of ebay lenses and rehousing usually exceeds the dealer price for a rehoused set.

Visual products has a Set as well with BNCR mount.


I use the Panchros as a "look" lens if blocking permits... mine are not rehoused so racking is hard to do...I would suggest using the Les Bosher Cooke/Arri Std to Pl mount adapter if you choose to go that route. .5 seconds to change the mount!!!! Well worth the price.

The lenses look great and Id suggest having a set in your kit as they are not that expensive - Arri std mount not PL Rehoused that is.

I hope that helps.

Kip
 
Gunleik Groven said:
Good luck. They are lovely and hard to find.
I hope you are aware that the 18mm is vignetting quite heavily and that they all are breathing a bit, even in the van diemen rehousing.

I really love these on RedOne!
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Not true. Have you used these lenses? Do you have footage to show the breathing and the Heavy vignetting.? You may have used a bad set if so.

check this video here, shot last week using my century cookes, the motion control shots are 18mm. http://www.myspace.com/elliegoulding the video is at the top of the page.
 
I don't think the panchro 18mm vignettes due to the condition it is in. I have seen two sets where the 18mm showed clear vignetting. That is not to say all of them vignette, but the two I did see exhibited vignetting even though they were in excellent operating shape.
 
Tonaci Tran said:
I don't think the panchro 18mm vignettes due to the condition it is in. I have seen two sets where the 18mm showed clear vignetting. That is not to say all of them vignette, but the two I did see exhibited vignetting even though they were in excellent operating shape.
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i would say there is some very light vignetting, but it is acceptable in most cases. But it is not a heavy vignette, as was suggested. nor is there breathing issues. yes the breathing could be to do with the physical condition of lenses.
 
4.5k its a full on porthole. Kip and I tested them with a set of old zeiss standards not too long ago. Maybe he can chime in on this as well.

give it a go Kip
 
Ryan Hamblin said:
4.5k its a full on porthole. Kip and I tested them with a set of old zeiss standards not too long ago. Maybe he can chime in on this as well.

give it a go Kip
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I'll test mine on 4.5k this week. publish the results.
 
Robert Horwell said:
I'll test mine on 4.5k this week. publish the results.
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Hi Robert,

I think you will find that when you stop down, they will be perfect, wide open the wider ones will porthole slightly, just like Zeiss Standards.

Stephen
 
I really like the look of the panchros (ESPECIALLY on RED)
How bad is the breathing?
I had a cooke 10:1 MK1 and the breathing was ridiculous..
But im thinking if I got a panchro set, And a MK11 10:1 I might have a happy little lens set
 
18mm Panchros

18mm Panchros

MKII or MKIII's should have little to no breathing.. if they do, the lens needs work.

On the 18mm... a MKIII should have the least portholing .. but the older models are faster if that is a concern.

Happy hunting and eventually shooting.

FYI - Zeiss Std speeds do cover more of the censor than the Panchros.
 
Zakaree Sandberg said:
I really like the look of the panchros (ESPECIALLY on RED)
How bad is the breathing?
I had a cooke 10:1 MK1 and the breathing was ridiculous..
But im thinking if I got a panchro set, And a MK11 10:1 I might have a happy little lens set
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zakaree, they do not breath any more than the rpp's, or any other quality lens.
 
Stephen Williams said:
Hi Robert,

I think you will find that when you stop down, they will be perfect, wide open the wider ones will porthole slightly, just like Zeiss Standards.

Stephen
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thanks stephen, i will test this week and let you know how i get on.
 
The speed panchros are old, originally designed in the 1920's. S-II models introduced in the mid to late 30's introduced the 18mm and replaced the 24mm with a 25mm. There was a Series III, but only the 18mm and 25mm received the S-III update.

They are old glass and have that vintage glass look. The 18mm does indeed vignette, the S-III less so than the S-II, but still noticeably. It's very noticeable on S35 and RED One 4.5K. Whether or not it is acceptable is entirely subjective. IMO, it has a very pleasing look to it that is very becoming of the image properties for these lenses. These lenses were not designed to cover S35 / 4.5K, let alone the upcoming 5K "larger than S35" 30x15) format. Old sets of panchros can be found here and there and they don't typically cost much. However, for any sets that are realistically usable on the RED or in most shooting situations today, you'll need one of the converted sets out there, much harder to find for sure. Typically from Van Diemen, some from Panavision, etc.. Be prepared to pay a premium price for them. These lenses are coveted for their "look" and the medium focal lengths - 25, 35, 50.. hold their own just fine against "newer" lenses like the Zeiss standards and many people find them to have a smoother and warmer look to them.

As for breathing... Yes, they do. But no more so than the Zeiss standards and many other commonly used lenses out there. Breathing is a property of lenses that people obsess over too often and too much.

I would love to own a set of nicely converted panchros, with an SIII 18 and 25 in the set. But they don't come up for sale very often and when they do, they seem to always sell for more than what they really should be worth. But that's subjective too. If you have a need for them, they can be worth every penny. I personally wouldn't want them as my only set of primes. But as a set of primes that give a wonderfully warm and organic, sometimes vintage look to the image, they would be a great addition to the kit.

Had a local acquaintance with a set of Panavision converted Panchros. He sold them several months back, for quite a lot. He wanted to sell them to me, but I just couldn't justify his $38K he wanted for the set of 6. And he actually sold them to someone for more than that. Which kinda made me sick because he acquired them direct from Panavision on the super cheap and cleaned them up and serviced them, but that didn't take much.
 
Hi,

I remember when a PV converted set sold on Ebay for about $7000! Seemed quite expensive at the time! OK the $ was worth more than a euro at the then!

As they focus by moving forwards & backwards they will breathe, only modern large primes manage to fix breathing by 'zooming' to compensate.

I have shot an 18mm on S35 Film & no vignetting, however the video assist of a 435 showed 'a hole' !

Stephen

Jeff Kilgroe said:
The speed panchros are old, originally designed in the 1920's. S-II models introduced in the mid to late 30's introduced the 18mm and replaced the 24mm with a 25mm. There was a Series III, but only the 18mm and 25mm received the S-III update.

They are old glass and have that vintage glass look. The 18mm does indeed vignette, the S-III less so than the S-II, but still noticeably. It's very noticeable on S35 and RED One 4.5K. Whether or not it is acceptable is entirely subjective. IMO, it has a very pleasing look to it that is very becoming of the image properties for these lenses. These lenses were not designed to cover S35 / 4.5K, let alone the upcoming 5K "larger than S35" 30x15) format. Old sets of panchros can be found here and there and they don't typically cost much. However, for any sets that are realistically usable on the RED or in most shooting situations today, you'll need one of the converted sets out there, much harder to find for sure. Typically from Van Diemen, some from Panavision, etc.. Be prepared to pay a premium price for them. These lenses are coveted for their "look" and the medium focal lengths - 25, 35, 50.. hold their own just fine against "newer" lenses like the Zeiss standards and many people find them to have a smoother and warmer look to them.

As for breathing... Yes, they do. But no more so than the Zeiss standards and many other commonly used lenses out there. Breathing is a property of lenses that people obsess over too often and too much.

I would love to own a set of nicely converted panchros, with an SIII 18 and 25 in the set. But they don't come up for sale very often and when they do, they seem to always sell for more than what they really should be worth. But that's subjective too. If you have a need for them, they can be worth every penny. I personally wouldn't want them as my only set of primes. But as a set of primes that give a wonderfully warm and organic, sometimes vintage look to the image, they would be a great addition to the kit.

Had a local acquaintance with a set of Panavision converted Panchros. He sold them several months back, for quite a lot. He wanted to sell them to me, but I just couldn't justify his $38K he wanted for the set of 6. And he actually sold them to someone for more than that. Which kinda made me sick because he acquired them direct from Panavision on the super cheap and cleaned them up and serviced them, but that didn't take much.
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No need for me to test then, you guys got it all worked out.

I sold my panavision cooke set earlier in the year, and kept the Century 2000 set. The Panavisions were nice, different housing design to the centuries, but still nice.
 
I love working with this vintage Panchros, I use them a lot. Even when I have a set of S4s on the set I use Panchros for the close ups. They match perfectly with the Varotal 20-100.
I have a set from 18mm to 100mm, and I have a friend that have 2 sets and is not using it at all, I can ask him if he would consider selling. But they are not rehoused, they are original. Let me know how much you would offer.
 
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