long R3D clips duplicate?

[MikeHedge]

question.

I have a bunch of what appears to be long R3D clips that go past the 2GB limit so they create a new file and keep going...

but here is what I'm finding.

even though the clips are named like they are part of a longer clip, each R3D file is exactly the same. same footage.

any ideas?

 

[Rob Lohman]

Software that loads R3Ds will auto span multiple files belonging to the same clip. You only need to load one file for the whole clip to be imported. Most applications that support R3Ds also have a browser that usually presents the RDC folder as a single clip "unit" (as it should). We came up with the RDC folder so all needed files (not just R3Ds) are kept together in 1 place and you only need to make sure you copy this folder to have everything that belongs to that clip.

Hope this helps,

 

[MikeHedge]

hey Rob. I think I understood you. I'm using CS5. my question is why are these two files the same footage? if this clip spanned two R3D files, wouldn't the footage start on one clip and continue onto the clip ...002 ?

now I'm looking on my timeline and see a bunch of these double duplicate files where the ... 001 and the ... 002 files are the same exact footage......

 

[Rob Lohman]

When you load _001.R3D it will automatically append _002.R3D, etc. You cannot load just part _001 for example, it will always load the other parts as well. So if you open _001 it will load _001 + _002 and if you open _002 it will also load _001 + _002, etc.

It sounds like you're using File -> Import / Open instead of the file browser. When you're using the browser in CS5 it will present clips as a single unit to you so you don't get confused about this.

There is no need to load the parts individually

 

[MikeHedge]

ok right... I think I used drag and drop. I also have made quicktimes of all the files so that I can continue editing with a small hard drive.... I made these in Adobe Media Encoder, which made quick times of all .R3D files including the ones like .... 002 ...003 ... 004 etc.... all these files that are in order that are beyond the ..001 file are all exactly the same frames at the .. 001 files....

so use the file browser in CS5 instead of drag and drop? you are saying that this will basically ignore all the ... 002 files. ok.

you are calling them parts. but my question is how are they parts if they do not show different frames. they are exactly the same frames as the ...001 files.

really appreciate the help to solve this.
Mike

 

[Rob Lohman]

Because the code automatically links them together, so they appear to all be the same. I don't know how to explain it differently.

As long as you keep all the parts in the RDC folder together then you only need to load one of the files to get the whole clip. If you follow these rules then you'll be set.

Yes, use the browser in Premiere CS5 and 5.5 it will show you just clips so you don't have to worry about this. I'm not sure what Adobe Media Encoder is doing exactly. I believe you can send from Premiere to AME.

 

[MikeHedge]

ok so let me say what I think is going on....

an .R3D file can only be 1.99 GB in size. bam it starts the ...002 file.

the ... 002 file exists when looking in windows explorer. it does not exist when looking via the media browser inside premiere pro which only sees the .. 001 files. All .. 002 files can be pulled into premiere pro and appear to be the same length on the timeline and frames as the .. 001 sister files. but that is just an illusion... the ... 002 files exist. they are needed. they are different. but premiere pretends they are the same as the .. 001 files... because of the secret .R3D magic stuff...


I was confused. I some how thought that I had processed all these ...002 files, but they were showing me the same frames as my ...001 files, so I was thinking that somewhere somehow there was more media or frames I was missing....

so I guess this oddity is a just a weird premiere thing, where the ...0002 ..0003 ...004 files all pretend to be the same as the ...001 files.

ok. so the simple solution, is that I can remove all the duplicate clips from my timeline all files that are ... 002 etc... ? as they really don't have any extra frames in them. so if I wanted to pull in everything from a day's shoot to see the total amount of hours, I should do it via the media browser inside of premiere pro, or when I drag an drop, find a way to exclude all the ...002 files...


PS is there a way in premiere to see the original frame framerate a clip was shot at? ( like some how find all the clips I shot at 120fps)

thanks Rob!

 

[Gunleik Groven]

If you want to load a single segment, you can copy it to a new folder and load from there.
Can be a way to work around dropped frames...

 

[MikeHedge]

right?

 

[MikeHedge]

ok. premiere CS5

so I am finally done with the editing of this film.

I am now relinking to all the master files...

all my low res footage were all .mov files. and now relinking to the AVI files or the R3D files does not work (because the extensions don't match)

I have edited the project file in notepad and changed all the extension to their master file extension. So the AVI files now end with .AVI. and all the RED files now end wit .R3D.

my problem is that is seems that I have no RED files that just end with .R3D they instead are all _001.R3D so premiere doesn't see it because the file name doesn't match.

what I want to do is go back in to notepad and rename all the RED files with a _001.R3D at the end. Any reason not to?

 

[Pete Barden]

Sorry guys, I'm still a little unclear here on how to import R3Ds without getting duplicates. I used the Media Browser and dumped those files directly into a sequence, which worked flawlessly to avoid duplicate files in my sequence. However, my 113 clips in my sequence then appeared with no folder structure in the project window. I'm dealing with hundreds of folders of R3D files so I want to retain the folder structure and not have to create a new folder in my project window and tidy up those files every time. The alternate way I've tried is to import the entire folder via media browser but this brings in duplicate clips which I don't want. Am I missing something here? Surely there must be an easy way.

Many thanks,

Pete

 

[Todd T]

You do not have to import each file, the application does that for you.
if you have three "parts" let's say a001_C001_001, a001_c001_002, and a001_c001_003, when you open a001_c001_001, the application automatically figures out that there are three parts and opens all of them as one "Clip"

When you then (unnecessarily ) open a001_c001_002, the software figures out (again) that there are three parts and again automatically opens up all three files as one "clip".

When you go to open file A001_c001_003 the application (obediently) automatically opens all three file as one clip.

If you are using Adobe software you do not have to drill down past the RDM directory, the application figures out everything from there.
You should not go directly RDC directory or to the individual R3D files under normal circumstances.

 

[Pete Barden]

Hi, thanks for your help. I know that I only need the first clip of say three, but I'm trying to import hundreds of files at once, the quickest way being to import the folder, rather than isolating every single file to import. Importing the folder seems to bring in all the files including parts 2 and 3 etc. which is causing me issues as I'm ending up with duplicates in my sequence that I have to then delete if I dump them all in at once. I'm dealing with thousands of files across hundreds of folders so I want to be able to work with the folder structure, but not having to deal with the duplicated files (part 2, part 3) etc. Is this possible other than my crude workaround as in my last post?

Many thanks,

Pete