Lomo lenses?

[Edward White]

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[RobMNeilson]

Im toying with the idea of selling my set of lomo anamorphics. I have a 75mm & 50mm roundfront in PL, and currently have a 35mm squarefront in oct 19 with Les Bosher who is going to convert it to PL.

Not 100% sold on selling them, but curious what the price is for a decent set like this?

Also have a 100mm spherical in PL (1991 serial) that arrives in the mail tomorrow from servicing it if anyone is interested in purchasing it.

 

[Stephane Marino]

There seems to be some Lomo experts here...
I would like to have some advices / opinions about standards vs superspeeds LOMOS ?
Thanks for your help !

 

[Mike Quill]

Stephane,

The speeds (which are actually CKBK/Ekran not Lomo) are a lot more rare and sought after than the standards. They also tend to be newer (late 80s/early 90s) so the build quality and mechanics are better. Overall, the speeds are lot more interesting and valuable to own. Someone with more experience with both can correct me, but I believe the image quality of the speeds and standards is similar when shooting at the same stop. I'm sure Nick Gardner will post next and drop some real deep knowledge on the matter...

Mike

Mike

 

[Nick Gardner]

My experience with the standard speed lomos was with late '80s early '90s lenses housed for the kinor 35-H and S. As far as sharpness and character, I think they are pretty close, color wise they looked the same (speaking of the Ekran speeds and the lomo standards). The coatings looked identical. On paper the speeds resolve a bit more in the center. The below info taken from Olex's website https://sites.google.com/site/olexserviceskonvas/home/

Standard speed 28mm -

Focal length...........................27,81 mm

Actual aperture.............................. 1:2.2

Angle of coverage(Lens angle ).......51,49'

Photographical resolving power....65/35 lines per mm

28mm speed -

Focal length...........................28 mm

Actual aperture.............................. 1:1.4

Angle of coverage(Lens angle ).......51,26'

Photographic resolving power....70/35 lines per mm



The standards ave a lot of iris blades and a round Bokeh. The Speeds have fewer blades and more of a flower petal bokeh (some people call it a ninja star). I always liked it, some people find it distracting. If you get the speeds in Oct-19 mount they need to go to SPB sale in russia for PL mounts.You could send them to someone in the EU or maybe the states, but the cost gets a little prohibitive. The Kinor 35 lomos, and only the ones housed for the kinor 35, not the konvas, can be converted by just ordering the pl mounts from SPB, and it's just 4 screws to replace. Best if you are good mechanically and love cutting mylar shims, better if you have a friend with a rental house and a projector.

FYI I have owned the speeds, the standards, some zooms, and I currently own a set of square front anamorphics, and a set of the MKII Illumina/Lomos which are fantastic lenses. I got a 1982 new old stock 35mm Lomo anamorphic in the original dovetailed wood box with the factory protector on the rear element. It came with a little booklet that states how many line pairs it resolves, who inspected it, when it was made and it has an official stamp. When I got my shiny new Illumina Lomos, they came with an almost Identical booklet 30+ years and an political system change later. The lenses definitely share blood and history ;-)

Let me know if you have any specific questions, i'd be happy to answer.

I also dug up this old thread with some images from both standards and speeds. -

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?66968-some-lens-comparisons-for-fun-and-science

Nick

 

[Andy White]

Thank you for your feedback !It is not so obvious to choose superspeeds vs the standards then...

Another thing...I bought a 35 anamorphic and get a lot of strange flares like this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i5d1dkkerfydcyt/A002_C044_02203I.0000458.jpg?dl=0
Where could it come from ? Or is it normal ??

That's normal for anamorphic... you'll have ovalur bokeh, flares and horizontal blur flares (among other things)... the latter are much beloved in promos (or by JJ Abrams in his movies).

You should check out threads on Squarefronts, Lomo anamorphics and anamorphics in general.

 

[Andy White]

Are you sure I should get all those blue dots ?
I saw this test which is a lot more clean...
https://vimeo.com/92373775

Well, they do look very 'spotty' but your exposure is very different to the test clip you've linked to (which is a 35mm Roundfront) - I'd guess that your 35mm is a Squarefront (the nature of some of the flare suggests that to me).

I've seen this type of spotty effect when a lens is dirty & T-stopped at 16/max (ie outside without any ND) - but I'll add this is the worst I've seen! However, the vimeo footage is quite lo-con - so it has a different look.

Try shooting a similar set up to the vimeo shot as a proper compare contrast - that'll help give some clues. In terms of the spots, it might need a clean - have you checked the coatings?

 

[Andy White]

Exactly ! The lens was dirty and stopped down at max, without ND.
It is a roundfront 35mm though.
As you suggest, I will try with NDs and lower contrast !
Thanks !

Well, I was close - the 35m RF is big... and heavy! It does barrel distort a bit, so watch out for that too.

Let's hope shooting at T5.6 with ND will get a better result

Worst case scenario it should just be a lens clean (hopefully!), best case, ND and better T-stop give you good exposure and the results you want.

 

[Andy White]

Yes, you were close !! Thanks for your help
Who would you send it to for a lens clean ?

Mmm - maybe chat with some French Red users and see if they have anywhere they use locally (ie to keep it within France)?

Other than that TLS (TrueLens) might do it - they're in the UK. Or the person that deals with most things Lomo and Anamorphic is Olex - https://sites.google.com/site/olexserviceskonvas/home or https://sites.google.com/site/olexserviceskonvas/home/lens-repair-and-service)- he's a great source of info too, and located in Ukraine.

 

[RobMNeilson]

Stephane,

The roundfronts flare a whole lot less than the SF's. But yeah, that's pretty extreme flares from stopping to such a small aperture.

 

[Florian Berutti]

Hi,
I have also a a lomo question...
I was always wondering if someone has already see a sharp OKC3-22 mm?
I've got two of them and they're both way too soft...barely unuseable.

 

[Mathias Erichsen]

Hi,
I have also a a lomo question...
I was always wondering if someone has already see a sharp OKC3-22 mm?
I've got two of them and they're both way too soft...barely unuseable.

Mine is quite sharp. It's from 1979 (!) Had another one before that was really soft tho.

 

[Nick Gardner]

My 22 was just as sharp as the rest.

Nick

 

[Charles Pickel]

Full disclosure: I do marketing for Luma Tech Inc., exclusive international distributors of the Illumina S35 lenses which are currently made by LOMO in St. Petersberg.

Since 1914, optics have been made by LOMO and its predecessor firm (GOMZ) in St. Petersberg, Russia. The operation was actually founded under the Czar, survived and expanded under the Soviet era and was renamed LOMO (Leningrad Optical Mechanical Organization - roiughly) in comparatively recent times. LOMO made lenses for the Soviet film industry, including both spherical and anamorphic primes and zooms. Build quality could be variable, and glass types were limited to what was made domestically and what small amounts could be imported. A hallmark of Russian cameras and lenses has been very competent engineering, with execution (manufacturing) that could vary from exquisite to horrible. LOMO ceased making cine optics around 1980 but continued making cheap stills cameras for the mass market, which were later seized upon by two gents from Austria who loved the images they made and started the Lomographic Society.

Luma Tech founder Gregory Mirand, who grew up in Russia but left in the early 70's has had super-16 format lenses contract manufactured there since 1995 under the Optar and Illumina names. These were made by various firms. In 2009, Luma Tech received the first prototype S35 high speed lenses for super-35/4K/5K made by LOMO. They are the first cinema lenses made by them since the late 1970's and owe nothing to earlier designs. LOMO uses glass custom-ordered from Schott in Germany in the lenses. You can see them on the www.lumatechinc.com website or contact me personally if you wish to learn more.
-Charles

 

[Ryan Glover]

Hi,
I have also a a lomo question...
I was always wondering if someone has already see a sharp OKC3-22 mm?
I've got two of them and they're both way too soft...barely unuseable.

I love my 1981 22mm!

 

[Bob Gundu]

Spill the beans on NAB2015 :smile:

Full disclosure: I do marketing for Luma Tech Inc., exclusive international distributors of the Illumina S35 lenses which are currently made by LOMO in St. Petersberg.

Since 1914, optics have been made by LOMO and its predecessor firm (GOMZ) in St. Petersberg, Russia. The operation was actually founded under the Czar, survived and expanded under the Soviet era and was renamed LOMO (Leningrad Optical Mechanical Organization - roiughly) in comparatively recent times. LOMO made lenses for the Soviet film industry, including both spherical and anamorphic primes and zooms. Build quality could be variable, and glass types were limited to what was made domestically and what small amounts could be imported. A hallmark of Russian cameras and lenses has been very competent engineering, with execution (manufacturing) that could vary from exquisite to horrible. LOMO ceased making cine optics around 1980 but continued making cheap stills cameras for the mass market, which were later seized upon by two gents from Austria who loved the images they made and started the Lomographic Society.

Luma Tech founder Gregory Mirand, who grew up in Russia but left in the early 70's has had super-16 format lenses contract manufactured there since 1995 under the Optar and Illumina names. These were made by various firms. In 2009, Luma Tech received the first prototype S35 high speed lenses for super-35/4K/5K made by LOMO. They are the first cinema lenses made by them since the late 1970's and owe nothing to earlier designs. LOMO uses glass custom-ordered from Schott in Germany in the lenses. You can see them on the www.lumatechinc.com website or contact me personally if you wish to learn more.
-Charles

 

[Charles Pickel]

Load of beans incoming:

At NAB 2015, Luma Tech will show the full range of Illumina S35 lenses (14mm up to 135mm), S16 lenses , uncoated front optical elements for S35 lenses, also on display will be a working model of the new LUMACON system, which is a computer assisted optical test bench for lens service & maintenance operations and a nice surprise announcement that starts with ana and ends with morphic...

Booth # C9039

 

[Andy White]

Load of beans incoming:

At NAB 2015, Luma Tech will show the full range of Illumina S35 lenses (14mm up to 135mm), S16 lenses , uncoated front optical elements for S35 lenses, also on display will be a working model of the new LUMACON system, which is a computer assisted optical test bench for lens service & maintenance operations and a nice surprise announcement that starts with ana and ends with morphic...

Booth # C9039

You're just teasing now...

Hopefully the new a_n_a_m_o_r_p_h_i_c announcements will be as competitive as the Illuminas

 

[Jarred Land]

nice surprise announcement that starts with ana and ends with morphic...

Booth # C9039

got my attention

 

[Andy White]

got my attention

LOL - you've already got all the good toys... Mr Weapon.

You can't develop Ana-Lust, it's dangerous - speak from experience here - with some really rare beasts and a depleted bank balance!...