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Lithium ion Battery on Airplanes

Stephen that is simply not true.
You can bríng as many Li-Ion powered devices as you want as long as the battery that are attached is below 100 w/hrs

It's only for devices using batteries between 100 w/hrs and 300 w/hrs that you are limited to two batteries.
 
The following quantity limits apply to both your spare and installed batteries. The limits are expressed in grams of “equivalent lithium content.” 8 grams of equivalent lithium content is approximately 100 watt-hours. 25 grams is approximately 300 watt-hours:

Stephen
 
Well you have to go back to the rules and read again.
Batteries under 100 w/hr (8g lithium) installed in devices are not regulated in carry-on.

It's only if the battery is above 8g that the aggregate rule applies.
 
Anders Holck said:
Well you have to go back to the rules and read again.
Batteries under 100 w/hr (8g lithium) installed in devices are not regulated in carry-on.

It's only if the battery is above 8g that the aggregate rule applies.
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Some Laptop batteries are over 100 w/hr

Stephen
 
Well now you are stretching your original comment:

Example of non regulated devices:

Apple MacBook Pro 17" - 68 whrs.
Canon 5D camera - 10.4 whrs
HVX200 - 40 whrs
iPhone - 5.2 whrs

The truth is that you could bring all those in the carryon if you could fit them together with 2 devices with a combined capacity of 100-300 whrs.

Here is the text:
Under the new rules, you can bring batteries with up to 8-gram equivalent lithium content. All lithium ion batteries in cell phones are below 8 gram equivalent lithium content. Nearly all laptop computers also are below this quantity threshold.
You can also bring up to two spare batteries with an aggregate equivalent lithium content of up to 25 grams, in addition to any batteries that fall below the 8-gram threshold.
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Hi Anders,

Lets hope the inspectors take the same view when you next board an aircraft.

Stephen
 
Stephen Williams said:
Hi Anders,

Lets hope the inspectors take the same view when you next board an aircraft.

Stephen
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Stephen I simply fail to grasp how misinterpreting the rules will help this community. Who knows what the inspectors think. Fear mongering is bad.
 
Anders Holck said:
Stephen I simply fail to grasp how misinterpreting the rules will help this community. Who knows what the inspectors think. Fear mongering is bad.
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Andres, thank you for your help to keeping this difficult argument on a cool ad pragmatic level:))
Istvan
 
Anton/Bauer has already released one "block style" battery called the CINE VCLX. This battery has an amazing 560wh of capacity at 14.4v and also has a simultaneous 28v (regulated) output for other accessories that require 28v. Anton/Bauer will also be releasing another battery which is 1/2 the size of this one and will be called the CINE CCLXXX. This one will be a 280wh battery at 14.4v.

Anton/Bauer will also be manufacturing a CA-RED cable that goes from 4p XLR to the 6p LEMO that is used on the camera. As of right now, there is no battery communication from these batteries to the camera, but that is being worked on.

These batteries, like all Anton/Bauer batteries that have the RealTime LCD, will show you remaining battery capacity with both an analog and digital features. The analog display will give you a simple bar graph, like the gas tank on your car. And, the digital display will give you actual hours and minutes of remaining run-time, which is calculated via a microprocessor in the battery and will change as your load changes. This is a feature that Anton/Bauer has had in their batteries since 1991!

The CINE VCLX and CCLXXX batteries also have a 15 minute LED warning on them. So, once the microprocessor calculates that there is 15 minutes or less of remaining run-time, a red LED on the battery will flash at your telling you that you should change your battery as soon as you get a chance to.

Run-times on the RED camera with the block batteries are as follows:

CINE VCLX Approximately 9hrs 20 minutes
CINE CCLXXX Approximately 4hrs 30 minutes

These calculations are based on an approximate 60 watt load. Adding additional items to the batter will decrease the run-times proportionally.

If you have any questions or problems, you can always email Paul Dudeck from Anton/Bauer at pdudeck@antonbauer.com.

Also, the HyTRON 140 (NiMH) battery would be the ideal solution for the RED camera as it is designed for high current draws, just like NiCad's, weighs virtually the same as a 65wh ProPac 14 and is more than double the run-time.

One main thing to remember is that the physical size of the actual cell inside the battery is also a factor in the lifespan of the battery. If you have a small cell, such as a 4/3A or 18x65 cell, the life span will be shorter and will be more affected with high power consumption cameras. The ProPac 14 and HyTRON 140 batteries use "D" cells, and the ones that are used in the HyTRON 140 are the same ones that they are using in cars nowadays......
 
I really do think that I'm headed for some Hytrons. I travel to a lot of smaller markets where it's hard to even crew up reliably and get a rudimentary grip truck. I can't assume that I'll find a sufficient number of A/B batteries or that they'll be in decent shape or charged.
I already have a bunch of chargers, I'll be using the Dionic 160's at home in NYC, so for me anyway, a few Hytrons might make sense. $550 (at B&H) is a bit steep but a lot cheaper than those Dionic 160's were! ;) I bet I could do a little better at Abel, $$$. They always treat me right.
Might be worth a look for some other Red Users...
Cheers,
Harry
 
Abel is great for service, but to my knowledge B&H is the largest AB dealer in the country, so most likely they'll have the best prices. PDU, those blocks are awesome, just saw some the other day. Definitely a great solution when the camera is not handheld.
 
I believe using any other battery on a Red one other than a Red Battery voids the warrenty. We cant fly with Red batteries with out restrictions so Im not quite sure where that leaves us. I use IDX batterys and have done for years with out problem, they are working fine on Red at the moment, not because I have anything against Red batteries but I have lots of IDX's.

Dave
UK
 
daveb said:
I believe using any other battery on a Red one other than a Red Battery voids the warrenty. We cant fly with Red batteries with out restrictions so Im not quite sure where that leaves us. I use IDX batterys and have done for years with out problem, they are working fine on Red at the moment, not because I have anything against Red batteries but I have lots of IDX's.

Dave
UK
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Using a non-Red battery doesn't void the warranty... causing damage to the camera directly as a result of using non-Red batteries is what voids the warranty.

Red employees can correct me if I've misinterpreted their position on this.
 
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