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Lithium ion Battery on Airplanes

Robby Gordan on Fire in Watkins Glen 2000

Robby Gordan on Fire in Watkins Glen 2000

CrewPix.com said:
Actually I'm a pretty good Googler and could find absolutely nothing. Got a link?
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Here's one I found..
I never actullay Tried to Google it, I worked the show for NBC and remember the issue.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor/nascar/2006-06-21-sw-gordon-cover_x.htm

This is the text from the USA Today Article.

His greatest thrill?

"Winning my first (Cup) race in Loudoun, N.H., (November 2001) was probably the biggest one," he says. "Everybody expected me — with all my road racing and off-road experience — to get my first win on the road course. And we came close many times, from the car catching on fire at Watkins Glen to finishing second with our own team back in 2000."
 
gsheff said:
Of all the bazillion batteries out there has anyone ever heard of this happening? This is getting a bit out of sorts. Anytime some new potential disaster is revealed and if it involves flying the paranoia just goes out of control. This is as ridiculous to me as taking of your shoes for security and not packing your liquids. "Mayday, Mayday, Mayday! We're going down. A passenger had a lithium Ion battery in their shoe and they accidentally ignited it with mouthwash. And to make matters worse they left their cell phone on!!!!"
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Actually. A FedEx Plane I think was damaged last November with a fire which may or may not have originated from a crate of Li-Ion Batteries in the palette where the fire started.

A USPS might have been destroyed in July.

And a FedEx Plane might have been severely damaged I think back in January.

Those are the three stories I remember reading over the last year or so. Each followed by "Will they ban Li-Ion Batteries?"

The wonderful thing about Li-Ion fires is they are able to burn so hot that they can 'burn' water amongst other fire suppressants.

Hopefully this'll accellerate the development of a number of new explosion proof batteries to circumvent the ban.
 
Sims just informed me Fedex does indeed have regulations on shipping batteries over Fedex, not sure if other companies does as well.

This is all pretty interesting, and a pretty important discussion to have... considering the ramifications of not being able to have power for your camera.
 
So here is the scoop:

http://www.iata.org/nr/contentconne...dangerousgoods/file/table2.3.aenglish2005.pdf

This is for all flights, world wide. you can carry two batteries on board that are more than 8 grams (but less than 25) of lithium. You can carry as many as you want, if they are less than 8 grams.

You cannot send fedex, or any other air carrier. Yes, some people have done it, but the fines are massive.

The issue is the contacts shorting out, and a fire starting. If it is in the cabin, it can be put out while in flight. These restrictions are new for this year, but the announcement was in September.

John DeBoer
Director of HD Sales
SIM Video
WWW.SIMVIDEO.COM
 
There's a fine line here. The Document refers to Consumer Electronics. No mention of Professional. Interesting discussion. What will all the ENG teams do when they have to fly out to cover a story? These are Professional not Consumer.
 
Well, if you are travelling as a group you could still check-in (or carry on) 2 batteries each, as long as they are connected to a device (Camera or charger)

Also you are allowed to carry a vast amount of spare Li-Ion batteries in carry-on as long as their aggregate equivalent lithium content is below 8 grams. and you have taped the terminals.

That would include:
IDX edura 7 - 5.8g
Anton/Bauer Dionic 90 - 7.5g

And just maybe:
IDX edura 10 and the tiffen Powercube

For the RED running any of these in parallel could be a good solution.
 
Anders Holck said:
Well, if you are travelling as a group you could still check-in (or carry on) 2 batteries each, as long as they are connected to a device (Camera or charger)
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Hi Anders,

Are you sure a charger is acceptable, with 5 years imprisonment and or $250.000 fine one would not want to make a mistake!

Stephen
 
Not 100% positive but yes a professional V-mount charger should be classified as a device.
At some point it would be up to interpretation, but the idea behind the "device thing" is that it will prevent the batteries from being shorted or fed reverse polarity power. (Although all pro Li-Ion batteries contain protection circuits to prevent that as well.)

Any decent lawyer should be able to push that in court.
 
So the verdict is one person can transport 4 Red batteries if... 2 go with him as carry on and two are checked as baggage but attached to the charger? I know this is speculation but I've already flown with 6 Red batteries no problem but this seems like it would change that.
 
no, no red batteries allowed as baggage......only two per person on carry on.
 
Hey Anders:

Please do not get onto any plane that me or any one I know is on just because a lawyer can push something in court.

Joking aside....this is really serious stuff people. They do not make these rules for no reason.
 
No, its 2 Red batteries per passenger.

They go under the Special case rule which is:

Either:
Carry on: Either as loose spare batteries with terminals taped, or attached onto a device.
Checked: Only if they are attached to a device.

JDB, I dont make the rules here. It is what is stated.

The comment about the lawyer was regarding the interpretation of a device, not regarding bending any rules.
 
TSA wording "Spare lithium batteries may be packed in carry-on baggage and lithium batteries installed in a device may be packed in either checked or carry-on, as long as the battery is installed in the device."

I don't believe attached to a Red Camera or Battery charger is "installed in a device"

Stephen
 
Here is a quote directly from the TSA Lithium battery page

"Effective January 1, 2008, spare lithium batteries - extra batteries not installed on devices - will no longer be allowed in checked baggage. Spare lithium batteries may be packed in carry-on baggage and lithium batteries installed in a device may be packed in either checked or carry-on, as long as the battery is installed in the device."

Here is the link.
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/batteries.shtm
 
Okay.....so here is the real kicker.....

Who trumps who:

TSA or IATA?

Unfortunately, it is the IATA. They have world wide authority on air transportation of dangerous items.
 
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