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LightPeak & Red Station

So seeing that MacRumors has just posted some information about ThunderBolt, the speeds seem pretty impressive. They quote that they saw a 5GB file transferred in just a few seconds.

If I remember correctly, didn't someone say that about a minutes worth of footage 5K 5:1 Redcode 2:1 aspect ration was about 5GB for one minutes worth of footage?

If that's true, then it would only take a few seconds to transfer a minute of footage - impressive. Now if we can get a Red Station to work using SSD through Thunderbolt, off loading footage would be great.

Here's a link to the article
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/02/24/thunderbolt-details-emerge-bus-power-mini-displayport-and-more/

Steve
 
It seems that you cNnot upgrade your exisiting machines to Thunderbolt. You will need a new machine or a new motherboard. No Thunderbolt PCIe adapters!

Source: http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-20035571-76.html

So if you want to use Thunderbolt in a DIT setup, guess you'll have to get a new MacBookPro.

Steve
 
It's also 10Gbps IN and 10Gbps OUT... at the same time.
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Steve Johnson said:
It seems that you cNnot upgrade your exisiting machines to Thunderbolt. You will need a new machine or a new motherboard. No Thunderbolt PCIe adapters!

Source: http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-20035571-76.html

So if you want to use Thunderbolt in a DIT setup, guess you'll have to get a new MacBookPro.

Steve
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That's really weird - surely it would be dead easy to make a PCI-E Thunderbolt card (as it's main data transport *is* PCI-E)... You wouldn't get DisplayPort through it but you'd be able to carry data...
 
I made this simple illustration to show the comparison between most used interfaces...
 

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Stephen Gentle said:
That's really weird - surely it would be dead easy to make a PCI-E Thunderbolt card (as it's main data transport *is* PCI-E)... You wouldn't get DisplayPort through it but you'd be able to carry data...
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Already answered in another thread, as there seems to be some confusion from that demo, but there's nothing stopping anyone from making Thunderbolt PCIe cards. They will happen.

@dean: This is only the first day and there are already more products announced for Thunderbolt than there were for USB3 on its first day. But yeah, it's going to take a bit of time for it to really get rolling.
 
It would have been great if apple released a few new Cinema Displays for daisy chaining peripherals. The first use that would be cool for me is to have dual 27" displays running off a MacBook Pro 17". this will be a beauty... minimal cabling.

I am glad that the port supports future optical cabling.
 
Does Thunderbolt mean you could realistically back-up Red footage quickly & efficiently with something as "low spec" as a 13" MacBook Pro? The old Core 2 Duo 13" only had one Firewire 800, no Express card and two USB2, so not particularly fast or practical for backing up Red footage. The new 13" seems to have a Thunderbolt port AND a Firewire 800 port (so the RedDrive plugs into the FW800 and the back-up drive plugs into the Thunderbolt port)...sounds like it should be pretty fast to back up!
 
David Wyatt said:
Does Thunderbolt mean you could realistically back-up Red footage quickly & efficiently with something as "low spec" as a 13" MacBook Pro? The old Core 2 Duo 13" only had one Firewire 800, no Express card and two USB2, so not particularly fast or practical for backing up Red footage. The new 13" seems to have a Thunderbolt port AND a Firewire 800 port (so the RedDrive plugs into the FW800 and the back-up drive plugs into the Thunderbolt port)...sounds like it should be pretty fast to back up!
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Of course. Look at video here http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/24/intel-thunderbolt-a-closer-look/
 
David Wyatt said:
Does Thunderbolt mean you could realistically back-up Red footage quickly & efficiently with something as "low spec" as a 13" MacBook Pro? The old Core 2 Duo 13" only had one Firewire 800, no Express card and two USB2, so not particularly fast or practical for backing up Red footage. The new 13" seems to have a Thunderbolt port AND a Firewire 800 port (so the RedDrive plugs into the FW800 and the back-up drive plugs into the Thunderbolt port)...sounds like it should be pretty fast to back up!
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If I'm understanding correctly you would be able to--and want to--back up using only the Thunderbolt cable -- way, way, way faster than introducing the firewire 800 bottleneck. The Thunderbolt I/O allows for daisy chaining, so you wouldn't need the firewire 800 port.
 
David Wyatt said:
Does Thunderbolt mean you could realistically back-up Red footage quickly & efficiently with something as "low spec" as a 13" MacBook Pro? The old Core 2 Duo 13" only had one Firewire 800, no Express card and two USB2, so not particularly fast or practical for backing up Red footage. The new 13" seems to have a Thunderbolt port AND a Firewire 800 port (so the RedDrive plugs into the FW800 and the back-up drive plugs into the Thunderbolt port)...sounds like it should be pretty fast to back up!
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David

In theory, yes. You should be able to do a back up from 13" MacBookPro to Red Station. The Thunderbolt is going to really open the DIT station for low budget features who maybe don't have the resources for a full blown MacPro station. It will also open to the likes of Gibby who does ENG and natural footage etc. IMO.

Personally, I like the 17" cause I like the real estate of the screen but each of the new MacBookPros should be capable.

If Red introduces a Thunderbolt Red Station - the speeds will be amazing!

Steve
 
paul engstrom said:
If I'm understanding correctly you would be able to--and want to--back up using only the Thunderbolt cable -- way, way, way faster than introducing the firewire 800 bottleneck. The Thunderbolt I/O allows for daisy chaining, so you wouldn't need the firewire 800 port.
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Guess we're thinking the same answer at the same time Paul :)
 
Yup :)
 
paul engstrom said:
If I'm understanding correctly you would be able to--and want to--back up using only the Thunderbolt cable -- way, way, way faster than introducing the firewire 800 bottleneck. The Thunderbolt I/O allows for daisy chaining, so you wouldn't need the firewire 800 port.
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That sounds great for the future (even more so when it goes fibre optic!) - but I guess that would require the Red Station to implement Thunderbolt and you'd ultimately be limited by the speed of the RedDrive/RedMag...in the meantime I imagine right now you could get a pretty good back-up speed using Firewire 800 from a RedDrive and Thunderbolt into a back-up drive on something as little & portable as a 13" MBP (that's pretty cool for those, as Steve says, like Gibby et al traipsing up mountains etc!).

I wonder how this transfer speed on a 13" MBP compares to the old 17" MBP using Express card, Firewire 800 etc...faster, I'd imagine!!
 
I hope Thunderbolt catches on quick so the next Macbooks will scrap the FW800 port for another Thunderbolt port. It seems strange to plug your drives into the thunderbolt then have a display daisy chained through your drives??? Right? That's the only way it would work right now correct?
 
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