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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Lens Control

Martin said:
Ralph

There are many options other than the microforce for zoom control, you could look at the Bar-Tech Buz which allows you to interface a conventional video zoom demand to a lens zoom motor. Also I saw a Cinema Products J-6 controller + motor on eBay recently which went for $500, but I would wait to see what Curt is going to announce at NAB, that sounds very interesting.

M
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Good to know--thanks! Ahh yes, the venerable J6 from CP! (I used to work at CP, the summer before I went to film school!)
 
As a low cost alternative, we are about to release a single channel wireless focus control based on R/C servo. All the info updated here:

www.foveas.com

We will have available too a wireless SD monitor (not huge format output, only 400 lines, but enough for video assisting the focus puller).

This system was thought to work with 35mm adapters, all feedback you can send will be sincerely welcome.

Regards,

Diego Galvez
diego [at] foveas [dot] com
 
I would have thought 2K would be enough for most Doco and programming at this stage. Consider a S16 Zoom and use a motor on the Red Rail and if hand held adapt the motor controller to be one of the handgrips. I did this on ARRI 16 SR 2 and 3's when zooms were called for in H\H mode.
 
Jaime Vallés said:
Diego, that sounds like a great product you have there. Any word on pricing yet?
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Hola Jaime,

thanks for your interest!

We are still setting the price for the Remote follow focus, we have set a poll where you can have an idea of the final price... of course, you are welcome to participate :biggrin:

http://www.foveas.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5

As for the wireless monitor, we will do our best to keep it under the $1000 barrier, but it will depend finally on the monitor chosen, details on the Rx/Tx system... still working on it... :weight_lift:

Regards,

Diego Gálvez
diego [at] foveas [dot] com
 
Doco is Super 16mm for a reason!

Doco is Super 16mm for a reason!

Hi Brainstorm, I really can't understand your need for a full 4K workflow to shoot docs. Dig intermediate on Spiderman was 2K. As an example here is a paste up I did of how I'm gonna configure my RED for doco. Using our 20X HD lens with full zoom control. Some folk may not want the light weigh follow focus for this use but it's what I'm used to. Even this lens will be a little front heavy and need to push the batts/mag out back on the rail more than is shown. Any significant 35mm zoom which had this range and doubler would be almost twice as large!! Hey you just can't beat the rules of physics!

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Hi Evin,

Your rendering of a fully-rigged RED has just notched my already problematic techno-lust up another notch!

Quick question:

I'm interested in using the Nikon 17-35mm f2.8 AFS as a general purpose lens for "on-the-fly" doco work (more like Borat than Baraka!). Is there anything you know about this lens that indicates it would not be suited to use with an after-market servo-driven zoom controller like the Preston MicroForce, a re-engineered Fujinon/Canon servo or something similar?


Cheers
Brainstorm
 
Evin love the picture!!! Your skill at photoshop obviously exceeds my dabling!!!!
These together show the camera as I want it. eng/doco and cine production.
If only you had a long eyepiece and rod...... ooops Sorry I just couldn't help myself....

Hope to see a RED at NAB set up just like that!!!
 
tj williams said:
Evin love the picture!!! Your skill at photoshop obviously exceeds my dabling!!!!
These together show the camera as I want it. eng/doco and cine production.
If only you had a long eyepiece and rod...... ooops Sorry I just couldn't help myself....
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TJ, forgive me for the question, I was monitoring your discussion about EVF mount and all other posts, but where do you put the rod when you have it shoulder mounted camera?
You are talking tripod mount, is that right?
 
Brainstorm said:
Hi Evin,
I'm interested in using the Nikon 17-35mm f2.8 AFS as a general purpose lens for "on-the-fly" doco work (more like Borat than Baraka!). Is there anything you know about this lens that indicates it would not be suited to use with an after-market servo-driven zoom controller like the Preston MicroForce, a re-engineered Fujinon/Canon servo or something similar?
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The 17-35 is a very very short zoom throw and I feel you will find spending a bunch of money on a zoom servo to be a total waste of money. If you feel you need to have a usable power zoom the nikon is the wrong lens for you as it would be more suitable as a variable prime.



TJ,

I'm guessing with the image you put together of the camera you now see how the red is not that far off the design of a typical camera. When you were complaining before about how weird and different the red was in design from other cameras and a bunch of us were saying no it isn't I had always had a picture in my head of the camera like you and Evin mocked up. I feel you can probably see now why a bunch of us were disagreeing with you.
 
Thanks Finner. I'm still trying to identify a 35mm zoom that's suitable for general doco work, that will be suited to have servo-control added, and that won't cost an arm and a leg*. Have you got any suggestions?

(*I've already sold one of each and my replacement kidney is on back-order. My carbon-fiber Zimmer frame that will assist one-legged/armed shooting is currently under development. I'm taking reservations for delivery in 2012.)
 
Evin Grant said:
For all you still lens users...
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Evin!

Nice CG work.
Of course if that's a carbon fibre piece as part of the lens mount that won't do as CF does eventually begin to rot from UV expouser unless it is periodicaly coated with a anti UV coating.
But I'm sure Red knows this.

Chuck
 
Finner, these renderings (esp. Evins much more professional one) are totally what RED should have been showing on their photo tour from day 1. I still can't imagine myself ever wanting to mount the camera in a cage, put the lcd on top as a viewfinder etc. have a glow come out of the pl mount, all this seems to just make it big heavy and un-functional. Form does after all follow function.

Love the detail in Evin's short vf mount ball mount to allow vf spin in any direction, I hope it also allows a slide forward and backward.

Yes of course a support rod and longer vf are for tripod/dolly work.

Things I'd like in Evins Accessory pack...

Evin is this like actual design or another fantasy design like mine?

Nice if the hand grips could swing forward to match the angle of a persons hands.

Shoulder pad which adjusts nicely forward backward on the rails, will it pull of with helicopter pins for quick transfer to head mounting?

What happens to the handle mounts which seem to hang down below the camera base will they interfere with fluid/wheel head mounting?

Where does the little wire come out and where is the receiver box for the Third party remote lens control?
 
Brainstorm said:
Thanks Finner. I'm still trying to identify a 35mm zoom that's suitable for general doco work, that will be suited to have servo-control added, and that won't cost an arm and a leg*. Have you got any suggestions?
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A used 16mm zoom or HD lens would be one of the better choices for what you want. If you don't mind hauling around and changing lenses the nikons would work well. In my opinion other then slap zooms for slow mo effects the zoom is way over used by shooters and make productions look low end. I find a well choosen prime shot much nicer then zoom after zoom.
 
Finner said:
A used 16mm zoom or HD lens would be one of the better choices for what you want. If you don't mind hauling around and changing lenses the nikons would work well. In my opinion other then slap zooms for slow mo effects the zoom is way over used by shooters and make productions look low end. I find a well choosen prime shot much nicer then zoom after zoom.
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I agree that films with a minimal amount of zooming look a lot classier than those packed with zooms, but I would like my shooters to have the option (I'm a producer/director myself). I've spoken to a couple of the doco cameraman that I like working with and none of them are keen to try controlling zoom and iris manually on fast-paced "shoot-the-action-as-it-happens" type of shoots. We all know, many things only happen once on docos... and if you blow the shot, that's that!


16mm or 2/3" HD lens are obviously reasonable options, but I'd like to be able to shoot 4K just like everybody else (even if I output 1080p Redcode)! That's why I'm doggedly looking for a servo-rocker-zoom 35mm solution.
 
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