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LART results Commentary Thread

Good...hope to have footage up soon.

Since LART, GibCor has also been beta testing the RED EVF, RED Drive, Element EVF mount, Element ARRI dovetail, and shortly the Birger Canon adaptor. We've already posted some impressions of all of those on various threads on RED User, but sometime soon we'll post some more on them.

GibCor also recently purchased a Zeiss 8R lens for use in our water housings. I think Ken Corben will post impressions of that lens sometime soon, most likely on the Underwater Users thread and the lens test forum. Its a specialty wide angle lens, that not a lot of people will be buying, but I think many will be curious about the results. Initial burst chart tests on it were impressive.
 
Gibby,
I understand that you and the rest of the people still involved in LART are busy, but I would really like to hear impressions on the different accessories. It looks like I'll be making an order soon and I would really appreciate an unbiased review on the different items as well as tripod heads, if you guys tested any of those. I'll be able to look at some of the Red accessories before purchase, but not as in depth as might have been done at LART. Perhaps there is someone from the test with more time who could write something up. I understand that work takes priority.

thanks
 
LART Update from Vuze

LART Update from Vuze

Hey Everyone!

Here is a LART update from the Vuze Camp...

First off, thank you all very much for your patience. I know it has been some time since LART took place and we are all using the time we have as best we can to bring you footage from the event.

Everyone is currently getting back from the holiday and we are in the Grading Phase of our first few pieces of content from LART. We are still editing as well and will be bringing you multiple ways to be able to view the footage from 1K - 2K versions.

Thank you all again for your patience and we should have something shortly for your viewing pleasure on Vuze!

Mike Burton
Dane Brehm
www.vuze.com
 
Vuze

Vuze

Whats funny thing is we actually used a couple of the high angle "blind" shots that Gibby shot and they look great.

That was a giant RED cluster F*** but Matt Uhry came through along with the great professionals we had on-set making it happen.
 
Dane Brehm said:
Whats funny thing is we actually used a couple of the high angle "blind" shots that Gibby shot and they look great.
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Explanation for the forum: we had one more RED camera than we had LCDs to monitor them with. My personal LCD was being used on the ActionCam, but for the fight scene we needed a high angle shot from a rolling stair unit about 12' high placed by the side of the scene. I told Matt I could get the shot "blind", using no viewfinder or LCD for reference. He said "OK lets do it!". I shot the fight scene that way: using a prototype RED 50-150 zoom, estimating the distance to the action, focusing on the lens barrel according to my distance estimate, shoulder held the camera, keeping my head close to the lens barrel, leaving the lens at 50mm, and sighting down the lens to estimate the field of view coverage. There were several martial arts fights going on simultaneously, so I panned and tilted (shoulder held) to each after about 10 seconds coverage per fight. I have a copy of all the footage shot by all the cameras on both days of LART. I've reviewed my "blind" shots. They worked pretty well.

Moral of the story: "Even a blind hog can find an acorn occasionally"
 
I'm starting to think that LART didn't actually happen. I understand that Gibcor is very busy, but it does no good to get info on products after they have already been purchased. Is there nobody that can take up the torch Gibby, anyone you can trust?
 
SF Geek said:
I'm starting to think that LART didn't actually happen. I understand that Gibcor is very busy, but it does no good to get info on products after they have already been purchased. Is there nobody that can take up the torch Gibby, anyone you can trust?
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Ahhhh....I assure you that LART actually happened: 30 professional producers, directors, DPs, cinematographers, and editors for two full days with 5 REDs, multiple kits, multiple lenses quickly tested, and several multi-camera professional scenes shot.

Everyone on the LART team has carried the torch, before, during, and after LART. We've worked hard, on top of busy regular schedules, to preview, edit, color correct, and process scenes for h264, 1080p, and 720p screening on VUZE.

Every one of the five cameras bought and brought to LART, and all the accessories and lenses, were bought by us early adopters collectively without the benefit of someone going before us to test the cameras, lenses, and equipment, so if you're complaining about maybe having to do the same thing because our donated time, free of charge, isn't getting to you fast enough, then your complaint will fall on deaf ears.

We're working through our results as fast as possible under the circumstances, and we'll roll them out when they are finished and we are ready...and you and others will get the benefit of our hard work for free. If it doesn't quite fit your timeframe, then that's the way it goes.

If it will help you, email me a simple list of the specific RED items you're looking to buy real soon, I'll email you back my opinion of those items. You can find my email address on the contact page of my web site at the link below.
 
hi, i was curious if any of the fight footage is up on the net yet?

My name is Matt Berberi, I'm one of the stunt guys that did some of the fights.
Anyways It was great to work with everyone and I cant wait to see the final products.
-Matt
 
Part of the hold up is limitations imposed by the interweb. If you want to see all the various blue and greenscreen tests in r3d RAW without trimming it's around 15-20GB I think. Even just putting it up on an FTP is going to take a week of attended uploading and then a handful of people downloading could easily push most accounts over their bandwidth limits for the month.

If RED could release a trim tool or would allow us to use proof-of-concept trim tools. There would be a signficant flow of data.

I might just start converting things to cineform, but then you wouldn't be able to play with it in its raw state.

It's frustrating. But it's the way things are.

And that's ignoring all of our packed schedules. I think you'll probably see more in a few weeks as the holiday/new year crunch tends to thin out and get back into the routine. Or at least that's the cycle we tend to see.
 
SF Geek said:
I'm starting to think that LART didn't actually happen. I understand that Gibcor is very busy, but it does no good to get info on products after they have already been purchased. Is there nobody that can take up the torch Gibby, anyone you can trust?
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Ummm...Understand the frustration, but not the best way to go about trying to get results. Think about what these guys are doing. I imagine Gibcor is pretty busy these days considering some of the clients they are working with. So the fact they are cramming this in at all is pretty impressive.

And remember this, what works for one may have no use by another. So Steve would probably agree with this that even best review of a piece of gear can only go so far until you use it and come to your own conclusions. So yes, LART will provide a baseline for you but you'll need to test, test, and test as well.

Steve
 
I think that most importantly every one must not forget that what Gibby and Sharky put together at LART ( great event, had a blast ) was all done as a self funded project, they didn't get paid for doing this, but I assure you it did cost money to produce and GibCor paid for.

So beside the fact that I know we are all very thankful for their time (and money ) invested in LART, we now must all understand that most of as have to work ( well, I work from home so I should not count ) so it is to be understood that it will take longer to do this.

If anything we should all be happy for GibCor been so busy working their REDs, as the more this cameras are put to work by professionals, the more the cameras are put to all kind of tests, on the field.

I just recently sent out to Gibby just about 400 photos of LART ( well most of them of the girls, hoops) so also be looking forward to see some of them posted, but I patiently waite for the footage results to be posted.

BTW, this post it is not meant to offend any one, it is just that I want I want, should be thanks thanks, will waite to see what you guys had very generously pull out at LART for all of as to see.

P.S. If some of this makes no sense to you, don't wary I'm Italian and my center of toughts when translated in English might not always be as intended.


Ciao,
KETCH ROSSI
www.KETCHFRAME.com
 
Well said Ketch

Both Steve and Ken worked very hard to pull LART off and all their planning and logistics to pull it off was a ton of work.

Thanks Steve and Ken
 
mattb said:
hi, i was curious if any of the fight footage is up on the net yet?

My name is Matt Berberi, I'm one of the stunt guys that did some of the fights.
Anyways It was great to work with everyone and I cant wait to see the final products.
-Matt
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Hey Matt, are you in here?

BTW, this are all from LART ( daah, not to bad for an event that didn't tuck place)

Be patient guys results will come soon.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI
 
im.thatoneguy said:
If RED could release a trim tool or would allow us to use proof-of-concept trim tools. There would be a signficant flow of data.
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Soon, I promise! In the meantime maybe output some H.264 or ProRes clips?
 
hey, thanks for those photos ketch.

I didn't mean to sound impatient or anything in my previous post. I just have been trying to navigate through various threads on this forum, and after not having much luck, i thought maybe I'd just make a post and see if anything was available. But I totally understand that its not an overnight thing. So i hope i didnt sound impatient.
 
SF Geek said:
I'm starting to think that LART didn't actually happen. I understand that Gibcor is very busy, but it does no good to get info on products after they have already been purchased. Is there nobody that can take up the torch Gibby, anyone you can trust?
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It does take to to process footage and results, but not all the burden of public testing need be on L.A.R.T.

Last Monday RED 232's first public shoot was to create content and do tests for the REDUSER community. Jon Firestone and Chris Bagley are to be commended for organizing a very nice event where much good work was done. Chris Lyon as well for hosting services. Again, all of it in public service.

I personally did the posting of tests and footage, spread out over different threads, and now just now realized how much was done in one little morning/afternoon shoot and already shared with REDUSER, so here's a summary;

-Blue and Green screen .R3D files. These were the first usable key clips posted for everyone to test and experiment with. These were cleverly shot so that the maximum size was small enough to post. No crappy QT's or other compromises.

-Over 4 gigs of an entire sequence of shots presented as .R3D files. Tired of cutting the same clips over and over? Want to test a REDCINE workflow? Here's a full scene in wide, CU's and cutaways. Another first.

-3200K vrs 5600K testing. The first ever done and the results shared instantly.

-Rolling shutter. First public tests for both skew and compression.

Guys, I'd argue in the short history of RED no single camera has done so much for the group good as RED 232 and the people behind it. And this came from nowhere! We just did it and got the results out ASAP despite equally busy schedules.

One other point... L.A.R.T. did accept donations for a "snack fund"... so I'd be careful when telling someone "you'll get it when you get it and be glad of it" to at least check and see if they contributed to your party, as all these folks are in some way helping out... after all, I myself did... and the irony is that our RED #232 out of pocket expense for last Monday was the exact amount I personally gave to L.A.R.T. for snacks...

Regards...
 
i know a few ( there could be many i just know a few) persons working on LART post things .. they have every day job and they are putting in their own time on post ...

lets hold on just a wee bit more ....

i've been out on test everyday for past 10 days and i have not had a chance to look at any clips, read the paper, look at mail ...whoops - taxes are due today - gotta go !!
 
I had a few specific questions about Red One performance. I was lucky enough to get hands-on with a camera for a day, and shoot my tests. Working through my footage and understanding what it is telling me will take me at least a month; probably much more. All my R3D files total under 11 GB... I suspect LART recorded a lot more.
 
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