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Kinefinity MAVO Edge

It's been a while since I've posted. This camera confuses me a bit. Anyone in the know, please help me out with an informed answer. If red has patented recording a compressed raw video signal internally in a camera, then how is it that Infinity can record Pro Res raw in camera without getting a court challenge? Are they paying a license fee? Is Pro Res raw not compressed? Love to hear what you all might have to say.

Thanks.

RG
 
I think blackmagic did a license agreement with RED for their Raw compression. Apple prores RAW could also be with an agreement. Jarred knows.
 
R. Gonzales said:
It's been a while since I've posted. This camera confuses me a bit. Anyone in the know, please help me out with an informed answer. If red has patented recording a compressed raw video signal internally in a camera, then how is it that Infinity can record Pro Res raw in camera without getting a court challenge? Are they paying a license fee? Is Pro Res raw not compressed? Love to hear what you all might have to say.

Thanks.

RG
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RED patent is only valid in the US, the emerging markets are China, India, the rest of Asia, Africa and South America, shrinking markets are Europe, Japan and the US.
When you stay below 6:1 compression, like Canon does and ProResRAW HQ it's also no problem.
Kinefinity is targeting 7 billion prospects and don't care much about the leftovers(330 million US-prospocts in this case) and they might sell it in the USA with ProResRAW HQ only(plus the rest of the non RAW codecs).
 
Patrick Tresch said:
I think blackmagic did a license agreement with RED for their Raw compression. Apple prores RAW could also be with an agreement. Jarred knows.
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BlackMagic gave RED the finger and developed BRAW (which is part. de-bayered RAW, which is not really RAW in the legal sense).
 
I was considering Mavo LF when i was buying my Helium. i have tested the camera and i was blown away. Only reason i went with Helium was a cash recording htat is in my case essential. if this has cash recording i will switch in a blink. Unfortunatly the things i love most with the Red are IPP2 and R3D but unfortunately that's not enough when compared to some other downsides. Still we need to see how well Kinefinty will play in North America. they need proper customer service, fast turnaround times, and to show us that they can handle professional demand.
Lets see camera first
 
Looks good. Pretty specced for the price. Few smart solutions, plate, eND, dual type battery mount.
Hats off to the team.

Rolling shutter and monitoring lag yet to be seen.
It is unclear what is the material used for that middle part.

6K sensor option would be smart.

Is that....XLR...on top ?
 
Patrick Tresch said:
It's pixel binning to 6k as I understand, not downsampling. Or is the binning only for FF 6k Raw?
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Kinefinity-MAVO-Edge-shooting-modes.jpg


https://www.cinema5d.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Kinefinity-MAVO-Edge-shooting-modes.jpg
 
R. Gonzales said:
It's been a while since I've posted. This camera confuses me a bit. Anyone in the know, please help me out with an informed answer. If red has patented recording a compressed raw video signal internally in a camera, then how is it that Infinity can record Pro Res raw in camera without getting a court challenge? Are they paying a license fee? Is Pro Res raw not compressed? Love to hear what you all might have to say.

Thanks.

RG
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Well, RED may have patented recording a compressed raw video signal internally in a camera but haven't patented Kinefinity AFAIK. I guess Kinefinity doesn't work for RED, doesn't take RED's orders.

E:
I see now that Misha already answered this, so ignore this post. :)
 
Has anybody else noticed that some of the newer higher Resolution cameras all seem to have a similar button placement, 3 buttons on top and bottom, and menu layout and rotary dial as the Arri Alexa cameras do?


Arri Alexa LF

ARRI-CR-2016-ALEXA-SXT-Plus-white-right.jpg


Sony Venice

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Kinefinity Mavo Edge

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RED, please enable the dormant 6K sensor area on my Scarlet-W and I promise I won't buy or even look at this Mavo Edge 8K! :-)

Oh also:
- Release a firmware to enable third party SSDs, and
- Enable the 3D LUT with basic playback.
 
rand thompson said:
Has anybody else noticed that some of the newer higher Resolution cameras all seem to have a similar button placement, 3 buttons on top and bottom, and menu layout and rotary dial as the Arri Alexa cameras do?
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That's because the reference for Cinema and 1st ACs has been the Alexa since 2010. Every AC wants to keep it simple and like this. No complex menu scrolling. So basically that layout says "Cinema" and positions the camera for the market. Call it fashion, but it works.
 
Audy Erel said:
RED, please enable the dormant 6K sensor area on my Scarlet-W and I promise I won't buy or even look at this Mavo Edge 8K! :-)

Oh also:
- Release a firmware to enable third party SSDs, and
- Enable the 3D LUT with basic playback.
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+1 for third party media, whether SSDs or CFexpress. Also, think of the advantage of enabling internal ProRes Raw in the Komodo. Would probably be the only U.S. cam to have the feature. Opening up is better for the end users. 12SGI out and internal cast express media. No more proprietary media mags and limited i/os. Open it all up. That's what others are providing and what the people want. On a inside note: why the hell are cam manufactures will using 1.5/3g SDI out? Canons (and some others) already have 12G SDI out.

How long before we see Geminis/Monstros with high speed i/0s, internal cFast express slots, ect. Things are moving faster, Red. You should too. But none of this will matter to me if the Komodo's picture IQ/color science/workflow is better. Specs aside, I'l go with the one that produces better looking images. I guess we'll find out eventually. Which goes son sale first? Wanna make a bet?

Monstro is still the best 8k cinematic camera in my opinion. Love it, but can't afford it :-( Doubt that this Mavo will come close that that.
 
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