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Joseph Hutson talks about Scarlet

I think it was in the Scalet / Red Nab videos somewhere. Its a really good video with a lot of features and spec talk from Joseph. There is a similar one with Ted but less of him actually wielding the camera itself.
 
Malvin Ng said:
Wonder why they're not allowed to show footage from the camera though :c
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Its probably because the cameras features (and image quality) are not fully finalized yet. Plus...I think RED does not want to give their competitors any ideas as to how great the quality will be until RED has too...at the release date....just an educated guess... :smile5:
 
Nuka Wølk said:
I think this is why: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwVmKydHH-8
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Hi,

This is my first post here :001_smile: And I have to admit that I am a total noob with regards to this level of camera. However, while the Scarlet may actually be overkill for my next planned project, if it ends up costing what all the rumors say, then I don't see why I wouldn't want to get one anyway.

I do have a question after watching the video linked above, however (I couldn't find a thread specific to that clip so I thought I'd ask here.) I have watched all the clips that I could find about the Scarlet, and this was the only one that descibed the ports, at least tentatively. I noticed that there was no mention of an HD-SDI out port, like on the Epic.

I will have a definte need for that, or more precicely, any type of output that would let me externally record a clean feed at HD, or better, quality.

Would there possibly be a module that would make that work on a Scarlet?

Ted did say that there is an hdmi out for 1080 monitoring, but I am guessing that would be a replica of the lcd display...

Thanks for any insights, and I look forward to learning a lot here in the future.

Cheers,
Mike
 
Hi Mike,

Welcome to Red User! You will find everyone here is happy to help and lend advice. :smile:

Sounds like you are looking more for an imager with HD-SDI out for remote recording.

Red make RAW cameras, so the intention is that the RAW signal is saved to the SSD and then post produced.

The Scarlet brain will have HDMI but not HD-SDI. Most likely they will offer a CLEAN output option that removes all menus etc. like they do on the Red 1.

There may be a Scarlet module that contains HD-SDI but as far as I know nothing has been announced.

Expect the Scarlet fixed lens to cost somewhere between USD$5-9k, which is an ABSOLUTE STEAL! My God it's incredible they will be able to put it out for that, give me 4 tomorrow! :yesnod:

The best results from this camera will be obtained for using it how it was intended, as a RAW recording device.

Basically, all of this is speculative until Red release final information, so plan accordingly!

Hope this helps.
 
jimhare said:
Hi Mike,

Welcome to Red User! You will find everyone here is happy to help and lend advice. :smile:

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The Scarlet brain will have HDMI but not HD-SDI. Most likely they will offer a CLEAN output option that removes all menus etc. like they do on the Red 1.

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Hope this helps.
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Thanks for the reply, Jim!

If the hdmi output can be made clean, that would be the best situation for me, so I hope you end up being right on that ;)

I realize that I won't be taking full advantage of the camera's 3k raw images, but at the present I can't make use of that much image quality anyway. However, I envision this project lasting for 2-3 years (assuming I ever get it started.) and who knows, I might really need the 3k images by that time.

For now, a form factor with a small size/light weight are very important to me. So much so, that I was initially planning on just using a cheap camcorder. But, if I can get the optics quality of the Scarlet, in a small size, and at a reasonable price, then, WOW!!

Fortunately, I have a lot of other things to do in the short term (like raising funds :zombie_smiley:) so I don't mind waiting a little longer to see the final specs before making a decision.

Cheers,
Mike
 
At NAB, Ted and other guys from RED were referring to the fixed Scarlet setup they were showing off as "under $6K", which seems to be in line with previous speculation and hints on price. Looks like $6K will get you the camera body [brain] the 5" LCD, RedMote and possibly the SSD module or side handle. Of course, that's speculation, we don't know the final price and how current world events are going to shape the final result.

There will undoubtedly be a "clean" output via HDMI on the brain. HD-SDI will be available from the I/O modules that can be added onto the rear of the camera.

I would expect a very usable configuration with the equipment I listed above, including an HD-SDI option, to come in under $10K, possibly even with some recording media.

Don't under-estimate the usability of the 3K RAW files. Most current desktop systems handle 3K REDCODE pretty easily, with competent software. You can expect that this camera with these specs and abilities is going to become very popular, very fast. We don't know the details of your project, but it seems like you may be heading in the wrong direction to cripple the camera by recording to an inferior format on an outboard recorder. ...Just sayin'
 
If you don't care for 3K files (I personally think you should), why not shoot HD without cropping the sensor?

I'm not so sure that you can get the whole FIXED Scarlet Package for under $6K. "WOW!", if it happens. Remember that the upgrade to SSD instead of CF will cost a bit...and I HIGHLY recommend it.

For a comfortable setup, I personally expect to spend around $10K.
 
I would shoot encoded video to an external recorder only for a situation where I had to immediately hand the original footage and media over to the client. Even then I would shoot 3k raw as backup.
 
I think of the $5-9k as a good range that most people will end up with. No sense in getting a camera without media, and SSDs are expensive. Then there are all the other bits you will need so $9k seems like a good average, with under $6k being an "get an image from A to B" set up with no frills.

3K doesn't mean you need to output 3K. I shoot everything 4k with some 3k thrown in and often output at SD for retail DVD! The idea is to get massive oversampling and a purity of image that is robust enough to go through the degrading post and DVD encode phases and come out the other side clean as a whistle.

So best to have a look at the complete workflow and factor in possible future uses for your footage before making any decisions.

If you can shoot beautiful 3k for less than it costs for mediocre 1080, I would be all over it.
 
Thanks for the tips, everyone.

My project is, in general, a little experimental, involving two or three cameras of different types, and could best be described as "scientific art". I won't waste everyone's time with too many details yet, until I know for sure that it will be going forward (a couple more months, I hope.)

Yes, if I could, I would try to save all the 3k data, in case I can make use of it later, but that might be tricky as I will be doing most imaging in the field. And if the total system comes in at ~$10k I would still say "wow"
;-)

And as a noob, I'm also a little curious; are most RED users working on projects intended to be displayed in cinemas? That is the only place where projectors/monitors which can handle 3/4/5k images are common as of today, right?

Now, with the advice I've recieved here, I can join in the Scarlet wait with everyone else. Hopefully it won't be too long!

Cheers,
Mike
 
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Hi Mike,

Good stuff. No, the vast majority of owners are not shooting exclusively for cinema, but everything from the biggest features to the smallest web video. Lots of 1080 TV finishing, but a 4k master in case more is desired in the future.

The key is not about what resolution you are finishing at, but to have a great tool that doesn't let you down, and the Red is definitely that.

Getting a Scarlet fixed set up for under $10 will be a no-brainer. It will all be about what peripherals you choose. The great thing is the form factor will give you great freedom. For example for a Red One you really need a tripod/head that costs $6-$12k alone! For Scarlet you can put it on almost anything.

Get a Scarlet, you will be happy you did.
 
Joseph Hutson said:
I'm not so sure that you can get the whole FIXED Scarlet Package for under $6K.
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It's a bit unnerving that you say this Joseph, as you might have heard "whispers in the corridor".

As far as a "comfortable setup" goes, I'd say you are correct with $10k. But it would be a shame if the Scarlet with CF-module (has it been scrapped?) didn't stay close to $6k.

To me, that's the whole point of modular: you start small and build on it.

If I go with Scarlet I would hope to start at $6k-ish (and that's not $7k, by the way) just to start shooting and learning the camera. For all I care it might just be test clips for a 2-3 month period?

If RED drops the $6k target most hope is lost for a quality entry point at $5-6k. There are many new cameras coming out, but most of the good/interesting ones tend to drift to the far side of $10k.
 
For the record, I have no inside info from RED, regarding pricing for the Scarlet. There is no benefit for me to ask RED for pricing until they are ready to ship the product and tell me. I best not waste my time...and especially not theirs.
 
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