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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

ISO vs FLUT

Julio Quintana said:
How do you hide posts from a specific user? I've had enough of Mr. Blackstone over the last couple of months.
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Actually, Jake asked some fairly pertinent questions -- maybe not in the most tactful way, but he raises some good points.

Graeme, if you're following this, maybe what you guys could do is update your current "white paper" technical section and cover all these terms in much more detail. I think a more thorough Glossary would be a prime candidate. Obviously, if even Blackmagic doesn't understand what "FLUT" is, the bigger picture is that casual users are bound to be confused as well. (To me, a LUT is massively different from what ISO is, but that's me; I wonder if calling it FISO or ISO-F or ISO-Fine would be a more accurate name.)

I can recall having a conversation about Red post with chief engineers of two different post houses, and each told me they were a little confused and overwhelmed with having to deal with R3D files in dailies and had not had much luck communicating with Red HQ. They eventually figured it all out, but they had to do it by trial and error. I agree with Jake that Kodak at least did send out test strips, all kinds of charts and graphs, held seminars, lectured at SMPTE sessions, and stuff like that, every time they came out with a new emulsion. (On the minus side, look where Kodak is now.)

Maybe what you guys need is a Guide to Red Post-Production booklet that covers all available workflows, editing systems, color-correction systems, and available outputs. Just a suggestion.
 
Marc Wielage said:
Maybe what you guys need is a Guide to Red Post-Production booklet that covers all available workflows, editing systems, color-correction systems, and available outputs. Just a suggestion.
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Once you get over 500 pages it's no longer a booklet. :sarcasm:
 
Numerical overflow in a visual aethetics oriented logic has a tendency to cause disturbances.
 
+1 I know right?

Jeezzee, the online trolling these days... I honestly wanted to learn about FLUT when I came here :(

Aren't we supposed to use REAL NAMES btw? Like Edward Blythe, or Jake Blackstone. What is an N_Villers?

Jake, I appreciate you "digging" into the question you have and making sure it is answered. Explanations on technical software issues should be clear and simple providing the user with the knowledge he needs to use his tools and create his art. I have a better understand of FLUT because of your question.

Respectfully N_Villers, I don't know you or your history but would you mind saving "call outs" for PMs? I wasted a little time I could have spent elsewhere. We all have to sift through pages of posts to get our knowledge, spare us the extra reading? Thanks and all the best to you.

Edward Blythe said:
Sometimes Reduser gets like reality TV.

Yet I cannot look away.
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Marc Wielage said:
Actually, Jake asked some fairly pertinent questions -- maybe not in the most tactful way, but he raises some good points.

Graeme, if you're following this, maybe what you guys could do is update your current "white paper" technical section and cover all these terms in much more detail. I think a more thorough Glossary would be a prime candidate. Obviously, if even Blackmagic doesn't understand what "FLUT" is, the bigger picture is that casual users are bound to be confused as well. (To me, a LUT is massively different from what ISO is, but that's me; I wonder if calling it FISO or ISO-F or ISO-Fine would be a more accurate name.)

I can recall having a conversation about Red post with chief engineers of two different post houses, and each told me they were a little confused and overwhelmed with having to deal with R3D files in dailies and had not had much luck communicating with Red HQ. They eventually figured it all out, but they had to do it by trial and error. I agree with Jake that Kodak at least did send out test strips, all kinds of charts and graphs, held seminars, lectured at SMPTE sessions, and stuff like that, every time they came out with a new emulsion. (On the minus side, look where Kodak is now.)

Maybe what you guys need is a Guide to Red Post-Production booklet that covers all available workflows, editing systems, color-correction systems, and available outputs. Just a suggestion.
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+1 on this.

I don't believe Red has a WHITE PAGES section.

I have seen the support documents but if there is more please post a link.

:)
 
Will Keir said:
Jeezzee, the online trolling these days... I honestly wanted to learn about FLUT when I came here :(

Aren't we supposed to use REAL NAMES btw? Like Edward Blythe, or Jake Blackstone. What is an N_Villers?
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What you perceived as "trolling" can also be perceived as the attempt of avoiding complication of simple things.


Will Keir said:
I wasted a little time I could have spent elsewhere. We all have to sift through pages of posts to get our knowledge, spare us the extra reading?
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FLUT explanation was given in the second post of this thread.
21 mins after it was asked for.

No sifting or time wasting necessary.
 
Marc Wielage said:
Actually, Jake asked some fairly pertinent questions -- maybe not in the most tactful way, but he raises some good points.
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I have no issues with the questions. He just seems to have a real grudge lately and all his posts sound like an accusation. I agree with Jake that I didn't understand FLUT, but I never took the time to look for documentation, which I assumed exists somewhere.

Sorry, Jake, but your tone just bums me out after a long and successful day of shooting with my Epic, which is exactly what happened last night.
 
Julio Quintana said:
I have no issues with the questions. He just seems to have a real grudge lately and all his posts sound like an accusation. I agree with Jake that I didn't understand FLUT, but I never took the time to look for documentation, which I assumed exists somewhere.
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It's covered in two sentences in the Redcine-X Pro manual, page 59, Build 9 (December 2011). But I still think it needs to be explained in more detail, where and why this could be used, and so on. Realistically, I've never seen anybody worry about more than 1/3 of a stop, so I'm puzzled why anybody think you need infinitely subtle control over exposure in digital.

My observation is that Jake can be a curmudgeon, but that doesn't mean his point and questions are any less valid. Curmudgeons are sometimes necessary in the world.
 
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