Is there anything like REDLog and RedSpace ICC profiles for AE CS3...?

[Henrik Cednert]

Think topic nailed my question fairly good. =)

 

[Tom Banks]

I have the exact same question!

I would like to run my .r3d files through Premiere so all the zooms, pan and scans, etc.. can be burned into a 1080 QT ProRes 4444 file without any resolution loss. But I would also like the benefit of applying RedColor2 and RedLog to the image in Premiere.

Any solutions?

Thank you,
Tom

 

[Matt Ryan]

can you just run your footage through Redcine with the preferred settings i.e Redcolor 2 Redlog Film and adjust curves, save the metadata, then load the R3d's into Premiere?

I dont use premiere but just a thought since premiere utilizes the r3d's which therefore means it uses metadata. (Although not sure if its set to camera metadata and not adjustable or switchable).

 

[D Fuller]

The short answer is no, there is no Redlog/Redspace ICC profile. ICC profiles are a completely different thing.

The fact that both systems use the phrase "color space" makes this confusing, but they have no real relationship to each other. RedLog and RedSpace (as well as RedColor, RedLogFilm, etc) are color and gamma spaces used in the interpretation of RAW R3D image data into RGB image data. ICC profiles are output device profiles used to display RGB image data (or CMYK or whatever) correctly on different output systems without changing the underlying RGB data; you can really think of ICC profiles as output LUTs. (Or if ICC profiles are more familiar to you, you can think of LUTs as being like ICC profiles.)

But none of this is a problem for AE CS3, because it can't interpret Red footage anyway. You would have to have rendered the R3Ds to some form that AE CS3 understands. If you want to attach an ICC profile to the footage, it should be the profile of the viewing system (hopefully calibrated) that you were using to make color judgements when you did that. Often, this will be REC709, but if you are asking about ICC profiles, you may have custom profiles for your monitors. The problem with attaching ICC profiles to video is that most of the tools used in video editing/compositing don't know what to do with them, so they end up producing unexpected results. That's why it's recommended to work with monitors that are hardware-calibrated to external standards.

If you upgrade to CS5.5, AE can read R3Ds and has the ability to use RedLog, RedColor, etc. through its "interpret footage" dialogs to produce the RGB data it uses internally. It can even read the RMD files generated by RedCine and apply that metadata as it interprets the file. And you can have AE set up to work in ICC color spaces if that is part of your workflow.

Hope this helps.

 

[Matt Ryan]

The short answer is no, there is no Redlog/Redspace ICC profile. ICC profiles are a completely different thing.

The fact that both systems use the phrase "color space" makes this confusing, but they have no real relationship to each other. RedLog and RedSpace (as well as RedColor, RedLogFilm, etc) are color and gamma spaces used in the interpretation of RAW R3D image data into RGB image data. ICC profiles are output device profiles used to display RGB image data (or CMYK or whatever) correctly on different output systems without changing the underlying RGB data; you can really think of ICC profiles as output LUTs. (Or if ICC profiles are more familiar to you, you can think of LUTs as being like ICC profiles.)

But none of this is a problem for AE CS3, because it can't interpret Red footage anyway. You would have to have rendered the R3Ds to some form that AE CS3 understands. If you want to attach an ICC profile to the footage, it should be the profile of the viewing system (hopefully calibrated) that you were using to make color judgements when you did that. Often, this will be REC709, but if you are asking about ICC profiles, you may have custom profiles for your monitors. The problem with attaching ICC profiles to video is that most of the tools used in video editing/compositing don't know what to do with them, so they end up producing unexpected results. That's why it's recommended to work with monitors that are hardware-calibrated to external standards.

If you upgrade to CS5.5, AE can read R3Ds and has the ability to use RedLog, RedColor, etc. through its "interpret footage" dialogs to produce the RGB data it uses internally. It can even read the RMD files generated by RedCine and apply that metadata as it interprets the file. And you can have AE set up to work in ICC color spaces if that is part of your workflow.

Hope this helps.

my bad I should have read the OP better. Assumed he was talking CS5.5. This is an example of why my teachers always said "read carefully."

 

[D Fuller]

can you just run your footage through Redcine with the preferred settings i.e Redcolor 2 Redlog Film and adjust curves, save the metadata, then load the R3d's into Premiere?

I dont use premiere but just a thought since premiere utilizes the r3d's which therefore means it uses metadata. (Although not sure if its set to camera metadata and not adjustable or switchable).

Yes, you can do this, but only in CS5 or CS5.5. (and it works well) You can make adjustments in Premiere's Interpret footage dialog, but the tools are not nearly as useful as RCX.
(BTW, the alchemy group does not work in Premiere.)

 

[D Fuller]

I have the exact same question!

I would like to run my .r3d files through Premiere so all the zooms, pan and scans, etc.. can be burned into a 1080 QT ProRes 4444 file without any resolution loss. But I would also like the benefit of applying RedColor2 and RedLog to the image in Premiere.

Any solutions?

Thank you,
Tom

This is not really the same question at all, but yes, you can do what you want to do, and it will work pretty well. But it'll work a lot better in AE, because scaling seems to be better in AE.