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Is resolution THAT important?

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Pietro Impagliazzo said:
Thanks for the info Mitch!

IYO does the Alexa have a colorimetry advantage over the Epic?

Because I'm usually stunned with the colors that the Alexa puts out, they are very soothing and classy.
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Sorry, I'm not going to get into that discussion here. It would be rude -- this is REDuser. AbelCine sells the ALEXA, as well as cameras from Sony, Panasonic, Aaton, etc., and we rent them all as well, including the RED One-MX and the EPIC. Each has its place.
 
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The answer to all the comparison questions ever asked!

This is "REDUSER.NET" what do you expect?

Of course this is our opinion. Mine at least! It has been said a million times, spend less time choosing your weapons and more time mastering them.

I chose Red. Mastering will take me the rest of the time.
 
As some of you may know from what I've said in the past, I sort of lost my original beliefs about resolution after seeing RED footage, Alexa footage, RED/5D Mark II mixed footage, and straight mixed DSLR footage altogether during NAB last year or so. You can do so much with just 1080p but it all simply depends on the artist and the material. Look at "Superman Returns", looks amazing on a strict filmmaking standpoint, and it was all 1080p. Could they have done better with RED or even film? Probably, but it didn't seem to make much of a difference just watching it as the style of movie it was. The 5D Mark II episode of "House" is still a very excellent example of how resolution can matter very little in the grand scheme of things, even epic dramatic material. Do remember, whole features have been made on SD cameras that simply looked great, couldn't really tell the difference, and it was all because of the cinematographer using their limited tools with the best of their knowledge as artists and technicians.

It's very easy to say "Yes, we need to make every movie in 4K or on 35mm" but the reality is that many movies could have easily gone with 1080p for their shooting format, to most it's just an aesthetic or quality issue and to some a matter of production value. The digital age has really sort of leveled things off in a lot of ways, especially now when compression is no longer much of an issue.

Now, does that mean 4K+ isn't that important? By all means, no! Recently I worked on a film that used a RED MX and there were several shots that were adjusted from wide and medium shots into closeups. This is an area that higher resolutions excel in and can really save your tail in the editing room. 1080p material can only go so far but the drop to 720p or less starts to become very noticeable, very quickly. Visual effects also benefit from higher resolutions as they always have. It's a benefit to have 4K+ material but, as I've said, it all comes down to the artist and the material. I'm glad the OP mentioned "Driver" was filmed on an Alexa, I hadn't known that before and, to sum up my point, I thought it was a 35mm show when I saw the trailer in theaters! :thumbup1:
 
If you are watching 2K in a theater from 1080P or 2K origination it looks like X. If you see 2K in a theater from 4K or 5K downrezzed, it looks like more resolution than X. If you see 4K in a theater... it is not close. Many have done side by side tests and viewed on a 40' screen to see the difference before selecting EPIC (vs. all other 1080P and 2K cameras). What we usually hear is "can you focus the projector?" when the 1080P files hit the screen.

The additional question is... "what happens when 4K is the home standard?". You can't pretend that 1080P is 4K.

BTW... I love "Game of Thrones"... but it looks soft on my 12' home projection screen.

Jim
 
Wouldn't it be nice if everyone had 4K monitors with standardized color and gamma, so we could watch trailers posted on youtube or clips posted on vimeo and have it mean anything at all for this type of conversation. (Of course RED will have to license out R3D so we can stream 4K at a decent rate too).
 
I personally don't care what I output to, 1K, 2k, 4k, I just like having ridiculously clean 5k resolution to play with, so I can re-frame without hesitation at anytime any shot. I want a tight shot from a mid lens.. I can do it. I want to slide to the left and reframe, I can.
Just to make my edits work even nicer...
I like having the freedom after I have shot to change my mind. :)

Projecting 4k is just a huge plus for me and it's future proofing my investment.
1920x1080 HD took over 720x576 NTSC/PAL over a very short time frame for mastering. You don't think 4k will do the same to HD...

You can't do this with a HD camera.
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... once audiences are watching movies in 4k / hdrx™ as a standard ... the lesser footage will be experienced as such - a lesser quality experience.

... right now, there is no frame of reference and everyones eye is trained to perceive the fullHD / 2k theater projection as "full" ....

that´ll all change.

... even VHS looked cool, once ... hehe .... :-)
 
Currently setting up 4 monitor cheat for full 4k images, til the rest of the industry wakes up.

But, you can still notice a difference in After Effects CS5 workscreen on a 27 inch monitor.
 
We agree with Arri... 4K (4 times the resolution of 2K) is better.

Jim

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LOL! Nice! Its like you know what your talking about or something! You may have a future in this one day. LOL.
 
Additionally, there is a feature film being released (shot in Germany) that is being advertised as shot with the Alexa. Truth is, all the VFX plates were shot on a RED ONE MX for reasons you might imagine.

Jim
 
Right!!!

But Arri decided to make its money with "muddy waters" of Alexa 2K/1080p resolution just because with that resolution

they can get big enough pixels (or photo-sites) to achieve native 14 stops of DR and with that try to sell it easy to the worlds best cinematographers.

What Epic would need promptly is also native 14 steps of DR with new sensor

and also additional "rotary shutter" module that can be attached in front of Epic sensor to eliminate CMOS rolling shutter artifacts.

Already I repeated this request a couple of time here.

The competition already have it, Sony F65 (4K) , Alexa Studio (2K) and upcoming Aaton Penelope Δ Delta (4K).

That's all (it's my favorite quote from Meryl Streep (aka Anna Wintour) at The Devil Wears Prada (2003).
 
Mercalli $100 plug in or CS5.5 Warp Stabilizer. Could eliminate 90% of Rolling Shutter problem. Just saying.
 
Sanjin... stop driving me crazy... :-)

We offered a mechanical shutter program and didn't get one email of interest. All we needed was 10 orders at $40K each, it would still put EPIC at less money than any of the competition. Please send us your deposit and we'll get right on it... assuming we get 9 more.

Jim

Sanjin Jukic said:
Right!!!

But Arri decided to make its money with "muddy waters" of Alexa 2K/1080p resolution just because with that res they can get big enough pixels (or photo-sites) to achieve easy native 14 stops of DR and with that try to sell it easy to the worlds best cinematographers.

What Epic would need promptly is also native 14 steps of DR with new sensor and also additional "rotary shutter" module that can be attached in front of Epic sensor to eliminate CMOS rolling shutter artifacts.

Already I repeated this request a couple of time here.

The competition already have it, Sony F65 (4K) , Alexa Studio (2K) and upcoming Aaton Penelope Δ Delta (4K).

That's all (it's my favorite quote from Anna Wintour at The Devil Wears Prada (2003).
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We just figured out we had a competitor posting here as a "ghost". His account was terminated.

Jim
 
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