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is Red Ray limited to red-originated footage?

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I have a theory that the way Red Ray works is it leverages the fact that RAW data carries a lot of information very efficiently, so Red Ray data is still Bayer data with onboard vectors to color correct in the (obviously powerful) processors in the player. While the data won't be Camera Raw, it will probably be downsampled to something like 8 bit, it would still keep the data small, efficient, and packed with information.

This would mean that Red Ray would only work on Red-originated footage, or maybe a similar Bayer based camera.

I know Red won't reveal there secret sauce, but has anyone heard any talk of that, or has it been confirmed that this magic will work on any footage?
 
I would like to know if 35mm or other 4K footage can be transcoded to REDray and played at 4K.
 
The RED Reel is pre-graded RGB footage.

Graeme
 
Yes it was 10bit to the projector.
 
It was awesome. It was the most astounding thing I saw at NAB technologically.

I really couldn't tell it from the uncompressed. If you hadn't told me I wouldn't have been aware of a difference.

RED again leads a revolution.

Kudos to you guys.

Jerry
 
The RED Reel was by far the best in show. Not taking anything away from the RPP's, Ketch's masterpiece dessert or Epic/Scarlet models but, WOW:thumbsup:

The Reel looked amazing and I kept thinking after I left how much I really wanted a REDRAY like a kid waiting impatiently for christmas day. Now, I know the 4K Projector had a little something to do with it and all but thinking about it on a more dallies workflow level, it would be amazing. Think about as a DIT/Data Manager on set, setting up a tent with a 1080p or 2K (Prosumer $2,500-$5,000) projector, 80 inch screen, REDRAY, an AJA card for 10 bit processing and a laptop or desktop to drive it. Pretty incredible to me!

Now, when can I have it? Soon?
 
Graeme Nattress said:
The RED Reel is pre-graded RGB footage.

Graeme
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F*&%-me...game changing.

So who will distribute, Apple, Blockbuster, Netflix....not! RedShoppe Online coming soon.

Wavelet interpolation and compression of RGB ? Like a software telecine lol?
But will Red kill or keep physical media is the question.
If you can download or stream media, why make prints?
So why then a spinning platter when you can use drives/cards or realtime DL.
Better Christmas gift potential?
 
chipset

chipset

red ray is great but it's not a software solution. don't forget that any mass consumer adaption of it would require a significant investment upfront for the decoding chipset which currently runs $1,000 for redray.

now if red and apple got really close, we could see redray chips integrated into a mac or even apple tv. then we're talking!
 
wigby said:
red ray is great but it's not a software solution. don't forget that any mass consumer adaption of it would require a significant investment upfront for the decoding chipset which currently runs $1,000 for redray.

now if red and apple got really close, we could see redray chips integrated into a mac or even apple tv. then we're talking!
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$1,000 for a stand-alone professional level proprietary device.

The issue isn't a matter of whether or not they could create a software decoder, that's the easy part, the issue is how powerful a computer you would need to utilize said decoder.

Also keep in mind that on a consumer level, at least right now there is no use for 4k, there are just no affordable devices that can even display it, so it would at most be 1080p, which is around 1/4 the resolution.
 
Jason Gorman said:
Also keep in mind that on a consumer level, at least right now there is no use for 4k, there are just no affordable devices that can even display it, so it would at most be 1080p, which is around 1/4 the resolution.
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While this would be a correct statement for the MOMENT - but this will change almost MUCH SOONER THAN ANYONE THINKS.
 
Mark L. Pederson said:
While this would be a correct statement for the MOMENT - but this will change almost MUCH SOONER THAN ANYONE THINKS.
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Everyone's entitled to an opinion, however unrealistic that opinion might be....
 
Mark L. Pederson said:
While this would be a correct statement for the MOMENT - but this will change almost MUCH SOONER THAN ANYONE THINKS.
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Even if the major brands started selling 4k displays within the next year, they would be in line with their high end displays so 1000+ computer monitors and 2000-3000+ for tv's, and at those prices, and considering most people have only recently jumped on the hd boat at all, not even half the hd tvs in homes are 1080p at this point.

By the time 4k displays even begin to mater in market saturation the power of pc's will likely have improved to the point where they can handle the 4k video.
 
Will RedRay work for 5-28K?

Hardware/Software/Firmware Upgrade compatible?

Since the new Red cameras are coming out soon.
 
REDray 4k files look fantastic at 1080P also. So while a 4k display is ideal, it's not necessary.

Graeme already said earlier that REDray was shown with graded (ie. RGB) material but it sounds like it needs to said explicitly... REDray is not limited to RED source material (that would be pretty dumb if it were).
 
To dot the i and cross the t about the specs....

In the RED RAY workflow does the image drop to less than 10 bit at any point?
Does the resolution drop below 4k?

I understand it outputs 4k, 10bit.


Mike Brennan
 
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