Is it M-X or M? What do you think?

[Sanjin Jukic]

This is a real example that new M-X could be minimum one stop more sensitive than older M sensor.

How?

I took from my archive one of old tests with M sensor shot with a super fast lens that has speed f/1.1 (T1.1).

The lens is one stop faster than aperture f/1.4 that is common fastest speed can be reached by an average RED user.

This is shot in a garage at available light wide open @ f/1.1 on R1-M with Cosina Voigtländer 50mm f/1.1 Super Fast Knock Your Socks Off Nokton Leica M mount lens.

The file was processed in REDCINE-X B90, ISO 320.

Download 1280x549 short test clip 7.6 MB >>>

Is it M-X or M? What do you think?

 

[Miltos Pilalitos]

Is it M-X or M? What do you think?

I can bet you $1.000.000.000 it's M! :biggrin:

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

I can bet you $1.000.000.000 it's M! :biggrin:

Of course that is M.

I'm just saying that use of faster lenses on M can give you M-X feeling.

What does it mean?

It means that M-X has higher sense to gain more light and less noise.

 

[Stephen Williams]

Sounds like FUD to me, MX blows M out of the water.

 

[Miltos Pilalitos]

I'm just saying that use of faster lenses on M can give you M-X feeling.

I am not sure that's correct.

Jim said more than once that M-X is NOT more sensitive to light than Mysterium. The main difference is the lower noise floor thus the ability to see more information with M-X in places where you would get only noise with M.

 

[David Battistella]

I am not sure that's correct.

Jim said more than once that M-X is NOT more sensitive to light than Mysterium. The main difference is the lower noise floor thus the ability to see more information with M-X in places where you would get only noise with M.

Yes,

Jim has already stated that the sensor is not faster but has a better noise floor.

David

 

[Felix K.]

Also, with F1.1 you Focus is even more shallow. That limits the things you can shot with it.

Still, the Mysterium sensor still is a very good sensor in a very good camera. Make good use of it, Sanjin

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Sounds like FUD to me, MX blows M out of the water.

Stephen,

don't get disturbed immediately,

it's not a FUD it's just a talk before we get our hands on M-X.

And of course that M-X blows M out of the water in many ways...

I am not sure that's correct.

Jim said more than once that M-X is NOT more sensitive to light than Mysterium. The main difference is the lower noise floor thus the ability to see more information with M-X in places where you would get only noise with M.

Yes,

Jim has already stated that the sensor is not faster but has a better noise floor.

David

Miltos and David,

I can't talk about M-X sensor in a technical details because I still do not have an opportunity to test and shoot with it.

It was just my observation according to the M-X footage shown here and compared with

the footage I shot using super fast lenses that some of them are optically faster one stop (T1.0, T1.1 or T1.2)

than the fastest cine lenses available (T1.3).

Also, with F1.1 you Focus is even more shallow. That limits the things you can shot with it.

Still, the Mysterium sensor still is a very good sensor in a very good camera. Make good use of it, Sanjin

Felix,

thanks and I will, also I know that and I am concern about shooting issues at wide open with shallow and tiny DOF (in a way more like Depth of Focus than Depth of Field).

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

For those of you interested in this noiseless M test example now I offer to download

clip at bigger wide screen size 2240x549 pixels, H264, 29.4 MB.

LINK>>>

 

[David Birdy]

Nice work!

I really like REDCINE-X, but I am running build 54 on a Macbook Pro and do not see a Flut Icon in the Image window...what did I mis??...is it only enabled with the REDRocket?

Dave

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Nice work!

I really like REDCINE-X, but I am running build 54 on a Macbook Pro and do not see a FLUT™ Icon in the Image window...what did I mis??...is it only enabled with the REDRocket?

Dave

Dave,

thanks also now I think that build 90 is only way to go...

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=539913&postcount=11

 

[David Birdy]

Perfect Thanks!

I did miss that post !

My apologies for high jacking your thread!

Dave

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Here is one more example that was shot at September 19, 2008 on R1 with Leica Noctilux-M 50mm f/1.0 (older Noctilux model from 80's) wide open @f1.0.

Shot handheld on R1 with Leica Noctilux-M 50mm f/1.0 (older Noctilux model) wide open @f1.0, ISO 320, FLUT™ pushed to 1.0.

Shot handheld on R1 with Leica Noctilux-M 50mm f/1.0 (older Noctilux model) wide open @f1.0, ISO 320, FLUT™ pushed to 1.0.

Shot handheld on R1 with Leica Noctilux-M 50mm f/1.0 (older Noctilux model) wide open @f1.0, ISO 320, FLUT™ pushed to 1.0.

Download short test clip 87MB >>>

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Some people still think it is shot on M-X but it's not.

 

[Andrew Walker]

Some people still think it is shot on M-X but it's not.

Maybe the people that weren't at the 1/16 RED Day. The people that were there know what M-X can do. I know the point you are trying to make Sanjin. The M sensor is still really nice and you can get great images with it. But the M-X sensor gives you the ability to shoot at really high ISOs with very little noise.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Maybe the people that weren't at the 1/16 RED Day. The people that were there know what M-X can do. I know the point you are trying to make Sanjin. The M sensor is still really nice and you can get great images with it. But the M-X sensor gives you the ability to shoot at really high ISOs with very little noise.

Andrew,

thanks for making a good point, further that means I would be able with some of super fast still lenses like a Noctilux or Nokton

to smell, taste, even reach experience and feeling of the next sensor a.k.a. Monstro and its sensitivity, DR,... very soon (hopefully)(!!???).

All sounds amazing and almost unbelievable.