IRIDAS vs. COLOR

[OlaHaldor]

What about Iridas vs Resolve?
Pretty hard to beat Resolve and now with its new price point... well...

I first posted this question exactly one year ago (we're three days early for the anniversary!). At that time, DaVinci Resolve was not anything like I would imagine it would be today. And I'm talking about the pricing of course..

I didn't get Iridas, I kept going on with Color -and now I'm ready to wrap my head around DaVinci Resolve, once it's released.

I'm waiting for a reply for a loan. If I get it I'll without a doubt go for the Mac with Resolve panel route as a starter. If not, I'll be sitting on the fence and wait for the Euphonix MC Color to support Resolve.

Philosophy: aim high, go nuts. If not, go for plan B and take the second best option.

 

[Lucas Wilson]

Iridas vs. Color....?
Iridas vs. Scratch....?
Iridas! (I think you will soon see SG & FC integrate RED Rocket support)

Soon does not equal now, and having been doing it since before RR was released. Soon does also not equal being the only vendor to support multiple RR cards for Stereo playback and accelerated single stream playback/rendeing.

Iridas can ingest many different RAW formats from multiple cameras

True. They are the leaders here and have done a great job with that.

and costs considerably less than Scratch...

Wrong, unless you're comparing Framecycler to SCRATCH FINISH. Try comparing a turnkley Rocket Fuel system to a turnkey SG system.

Scratch's 3D toolset is lame - no matter how much they try to sell themselves as a leader in 3D.

Waiting to hear actual reasons why instead of gossip and opinion.

If you'd like to have a fact-based discussion about this, I'm all ears.

Lucas

Lucas
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LA, CA, USA

 

[Rick Turners]

Can Resolve on mac Input and output 2k/4k material? (I dont care if its real time)

Even Color can I/O 2k/4k

 

[jake blackstone]

Can Resolve on mac Input and output 2k/4k material? (I dont care if its real time)

Even Color can I/O 2k/4k

Yes

 

[craigjkharris]

Yes

No. It's output is limited to HD.

 

[craigjkharris]

Soon does not equal now, and having been doing it since before RR was released. Soon does also not equal being the only vendor to support multiple RR cards for Stereo playback and accelerated single stream playback/rendeing.

If RED is the only camera you're going to use for stereo then you have something great. It does make a difference knowing that you won't be the only company in the SOON future.

True. They are the leaders here and have done a great job with that.

That is huge for this industry.

Wrong, unless you're comparing Framecycler to SCRATCH FINISH. Try comparing a turnkley Rocket Fuel system to a turnkey SG system.

Again, if you are only using RED than price point is good on a Rocket Fuel system. What about the majority of the film industry that works with multiple cameras? And on the same shoot? RED, Phantom, Wiesscam, SI2K, etc.

Waiting to hear actual reasons why instead of gossip and opinion.

Do you have any automated 3D tools that speed up the process for convergence, left & right eye colour, key-stoning etc? How would you handle 3D on a Rocket Fuel package?

If you'd like to have a fact-based discussion about this, I'm all ears.

Sure.

 

[Lucas Wilson]

If RED is the only camera you're going to use for stereo then you have something great.

Well... this IS Reduser! : )

Again, if you are only using RED than price point is good on a Rocket Fuel system. What about the majority of the film industry that works with multiple cameras? And on the same shoot? RED, Phantom, Wiesscam, SI2K, etc.

RED is not the only RAW format we support. But this is not the right place to discuss our support for other cameras.

A SCRATCH FINISH system, supporting all formats, is comparably priced to fully kitted Speedgrade system. And when you get right down to it - all of the vendors work hard on not letting price be the sole issue that determines a sale.

Do you have any automated 3D tools that speed up the process for convergence, left & right eye colour, key-stoning etc?

Automated as in unassisted? No.
Features that deal with all those issues? Yes.

Here are a few other things to think about:

1) Conform
SCRATCH has several different tools that deal specifically with the various problems and offsets that can occur in stereo finishing.

2) Stereo Dailies
SCRATCH has partnered with Telairity since early 2010 to deliver remote stereo dailies on standard, non-leased bandwidth.

3) Stereo Layoff
We have specifically worked with Sony to be able to do realtime stereo layoffs to the 5800 deck in 880 mode to deliver stereo dailies.

4) Color reconform
SCRATCH has specific tools to reconform LE/RE timelines based on recuts... with the ability to intelligently reconform pre-existing color grades to new lists.

5) Stereo Render
Automatic creation of Stereo Output Nodes to faciliate dual-layer simultaneous rendering.

Not saying that others don't have similar features... just pointing out that you're going for the gee-whiz hot-button stuff and ignoring a ton of other work that has to go into getting stereo projects done.

How would you handle 3D on a Rocket Fuel package?

Buy an additional RED Rocket card so that stereo R3D can be handled in realtime, load up footage and press play.

Lucas

 

[jake blackstone]

No. It's output is limited to HD.

Well, you should check your sources again Resolve on a Mac isn't limited in resolution in any way, shape or form. For this matter, Resolve on a Mac, in comparison to it's $50k big brother, Resolve on a Linux, isn't limited at all. The difference, is you will be limited to HD ONLY for real time grading, but you can grade and render 4k. I believe, that was the question. And that is what so remarkable about Resolve on a Mac $1k package.

 

[craigjkharris]

Well, you should check your sources again Resolve on a Mac isn't limited in resolution in any way, shape or form. For this matter, Resolve on a Mac, in comparison to it's $50k big brother, Resolve on a Linux, isn't limited at all. The difference, is you will be limited to HD ONLY for real time grading, but you can grade and render 4k. I believe, that was the question. And that is what so remarkable about Resolve on a Mac $1k package.

Are you sure about that?
I was told at NAB by one of the Black Magic reps that output would be limited to HD and that it will not be able to do 3D. It makes sense from their position to do this as well... creating a market for their $50K system.

Can you provide a link to any official documentation / threads that show it will output anything larger than HD?

 

[jake blackstone]

Are you sure about that?
I was told at NAB by one of the Black Magic reps that output would be limited to HD and that it will not be able to do 3D. It makes sense from their position to do this as well... creating a market for their $50K system.

Can you provide a link to any official documentation / threads that show it will output anything larger than HD?

Yes, I'm sure about it. BM said from very beginning, including Grant Petty, that they're not going to limit Resolve on a Mac in any way. This software is not crippled in any way whatsoever, like Cineform, where you have to pay extra for higher resolution. Unfortunately Resolve on a Mac is crippled, because of lack of hardware slots and not because BM designed it this way. And that is why you will not be able to grade 3D. But Resolve on a Mac will be able to render 4k.

 

[craigjkharris]

Yes, I'm sure about it. BM said from very beginning, including Grant Petty, that they're not going to limit Resolve on a Mac in any way. This software is not crippled in any way whatsoever, like Cineform, where you have to pay extra for higher resolution. Unfortunately Resolve on a Mac is crippled, because of lack of hardware slots and not because BM designed it this way. And that is why you will not be able to grade 3D. But Resolve on a Mac will be able to render 4k.

I guess we'll have to wait and see
I was informed by a BM rep that it would not output 2K-4K and that you'd need the $50K version for that. You still have all the real time capabilities of the $50K version but with limited output and 3D.

 

[Rick Turners]

If that is true it puts everyone back at square one and the only decent mac DI solution (2k output) is Color.

 

[Jay Gannon]

This means DaVinci Resolve on Mac is a fantastic solution for SD and HD, and even 2K. Colorists can rotate images, re-frame, add corrections, blurs and trackers, and then just hit play, and it’s all real time. Plus, because no features are disabled on this software only version, when faster GPU cards are released in the future, customers can simply plug them in for more power. This really is a true high end color correction system.

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/press/detail.asp?pressID=193

Its limited only by the power of the GPU.

 

[craigjkharris]

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/press/detail.asp?pressID=193

Its limited only by the power of the GPU.

Very cool.

 

[Peter Chamberlain]

We have just published on the BMD-DaVinci web site the Mac configuration guide and as it states you can build a MacPro system with a Rocket and grade r3d natively in real time (Set the Rocket decode to half res to grade your 4k r3d, full to render).
DaVinci Resolve does not limit in software the resolution to HD so you can set the timeline for 4K RGB uncompressed; of course with the limited slots in the MacPro that's a lot of image in the one GPU so you wont see real time playback in that mode. HD 4:4:4 is fine and real time.
Oh, and we do have a Stereoscopic monitoring mode on the single chassis Mac and Linux systems in V7.0 so the HD-SDI (or HDMI) can have a side-by-side or line mesh output to your 3D monitor. The 3D Linux systems can have two Rockets and also dual 444 x HD-SDI out for stereoscopic r3d with full bandwidth and color space monitoring, real time. With a second Linux chassis and GPU's you can grade 15+ nodes in each eye. Renders close to real time too.
Peter

 

[Gabriele Turchi]

Hi Peter,

are you saying that even the Mac version can grade stereo?

PS:release date ????

Thanks

g

 

[jake blackstone]

Hi Peter,

are you saying that even the Mac version can grade stereo?

PS:release date ????

Thanks

g

Yes, you can, not in real time though.

 

[Nook Kim]

Iridas looks very promising with its RR support now and new 3D technology implemented. If Color is supported by RR, I won't switch for a year, but it's very unlikely. So.. Iridas or Davinci on Mac.. that's my question.

 

[Sven Seynaeve]

Looks like speedgrade could become a winner....

at least i could say , I want 2x rocket support and 2x hd or 2k output to projector for s3d. The one that could deliver that, with a could set of options and good workflow.....and a nice pricetag ;;;;

 

[craigjkharris]

Iridas looks very promising with its RR support now and new 3D technology implemented. If Color is supported by RR, I won't switch for a year, but it's very unlikely. So.. Iridas or Davinci on Mac.. that's my question.

Color is supported by RR for playback. However, the render times do not seem to be improved.