Interesting kodak talk on film & digital

[Frank Cueto]

Check it out.

http://www.petapixel.com/2011/07/07/does-bringing-a-camera-onto-an-airplane-damage-its-sensor/


Watch the whole thing, its interesting.

 

[Jannard]

Wow...

I have flown my cameras (to 45,000') twice a week since my 1st RED ONE. Never once an issue with "gamma ray generated dead pixels or columns". I haven't heard of this being a problem from any of our customers and yet Rob makes it sound like "it will happen whenever you fly any digital camera anywhere"? Dalsa cover up? We have never considered shipping by boat instead of air.

As for high frame rates and no discernible FPN... how about 5K EPIC at 120 fps?

I think the days of sweeping generalizations are over when it comes to digital sensors. I have said all along that there are a tremendous amount of differences between the manufacturers now. And more improvements are just around the corner.

Jim

 

[Martin Stevens]

It is sad to see KODAK behaving like this again.

 

[Frank Cueto]

Wow...

I have flown my cameras (to 45,000') twice a week since my 1st RED ONE. Never once an issue with "gamma ray generated dead pixels or columns". I haven't heard of this being a problem from any of our customers and yet Rob makes it sound like "it will happen whenever you fly any digital camera anywhere"? Dalsa cover up? We have never considered shipping by boat instead of air.

As for high frame rates and no discernible FPN... how about 5K EPIC at 120 fps?

I think the days of sweeping generalizations are over when it comes to digital sensors. I have said all along that there are a tremendous amount of differences between the manufacturers now. And more improvements are just around the corner.

Jim

So this is 100% FUD? He makes it sound so simple/evident and goes as far as to imply that all camera manufacturers know of this. Even farther, he suggests it is hush-hush and that they (manufacturers)have software inside the cameras that "masks" this out. He even mentions by name (superman) a movie that had to deal with dead pixels due to this gamma ray thing. I can attest I am a wee bit concerned...

 

[Solomon Nero]

The chromatic abrasions he mentioned, I have seen in my still photography...Either way, he is right in one respect. The Technology behind film has had a longer to develop (develop...get it? lol...sorry...)...At the same time, Digital has taken alot of what Film achieved, and improved upon in some ways, yet, has some catching up to do in other ways. Either way, Digital is making some unbelievable strides...and it will only get better, and in less time.

 

[Francesco Bonomo]

Some things in the video are correct. Others are not. Find me one company that is not somehow biased when reporting this or that "fact" from their perspective.

 

[Deanan]

Some things in the video are correct. Others are not. Find me one company that is not somehow biased when reporting this or that "fact" from their perspective.

Some things are grossly incorrect not from bias but from misunderstanding the fundamentals.

 

[Gavin Greenwalt]

http://web.mst.edu/~umrr/cf086.pdf

It's possible in theory. Then again there are a lot of CMOS cameras in space that are still producing usable results. And even if you did happen to be the unlucky fellow who got a dead or white pixel... just black shade. 1 pixel out of 23,000,000 isn't too difficult to work around.

 

[Francesco Bonomo]

Some things are grossly incorrect not from bias but from misunderstanding the fundamentals.

Ok. I'll rephrase it:

"Some things in the video are correct. Others are grossly incorrect not from bias but from misunderstanding the fundamentals. Find me one company that is not somehow biased when reporting this or that "fact" from their perspective, or a company that gets everything right when doing these presentations".

Better?

 

[Rohan B]

there time is coming to an end,if they can't find a really good digital alternative. Actually,it would be interesting to see what a company like kodak,after ruling for so many decades,does to maintain its position in cinema market after next five years,because the way digital,mainly red,is evolving.............,well.......

 

[Graeme Nattress]

Gosh I fly with CMOS cameras all the time. I must have so many dead pixels by now that there'd be no live pixels left.

And the explanation of FPN was just plain wrong.

Graeme

 

[Scott Crawley]

Gosh I fly with CMOS cameras all the time. I must have so many dead pixels by now that there'd be no live pixels left.

And the explanation of FPN was just plain wrong.

Graeme

Just the guy I was hoping to hear from next, thank you Graeme.

For those of us more casual viewers who weren't paying attention; FPN?

 

[Francesco Bonomo]

FPN?

Fixed Pattern Noise

 

[Peter Lyons Collister ASC]

I've known Rob for many many years and I am a little surprised at his statements.

I love film and I have had such a great relationship with Eastman for 3 decades. Makes me sad.

 

[Scott Crawley]

Fixed Pattern Noise

Thank you.

 

[David Rasberry]

Does a proper OLPF refract light onto pixels in a way that minimizes the CA artifacts he was talking about? Of course back telecentric lens designs also help. You also get some light scattering effects with film too that reduce overall contrast.

Actually watching that video just reinforces my sense of awe and amazement at what RED has achieved with Epic. It is a significant step forward in digital imaging for both stills and motion.

 

[Johnny Friday]

N.D.P rentals

For hire: (2) full Epic M pacakges:
...will travel WORLDWIDE - ANYTIME.
....just be sure to give me 3-5 weeks lead time to arrive by boat, train, auto or camel. Because my EPIC's have NEVER FLOWN and you will get the best picture posssible because i have no DEAD pixels.

 

[David Rasberry]

there time is coming to an end,if they can't find a really good digital alternative. Actually,it would be interesting to see what a company like kodak,after ruling for so many decades,does to maintain its position in cinema market after next five years,because the way digital,mainly red,is evolving.............,well.......

Kodak makes most of its money from digital photographic products now. It is more a matter of how long they can afford to support film.

 

[Francesco Bonomo]

Kodak makes most of its money from digital photographic products now. It is more a matter of how long they can afford to support film.

I guess it's a matter of volumes. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that what's going to have a huge impact on film manufacturing is not so much its use as an acquisition medium but as a distribution one. In other words, we've seen lots of tv series and feature films being shot digitally for quite some time, but there hasn't been any problem in acquiring film stock from either Kodak or Fujifilm, though I guess it's nearly impossible to know the numbers unless you work for those companies. But, IF (or when) the majority of theaters go digital in a few years (worldwide), the demand for film prints is going to shrink by quite a significant degree. At that point, we'll see if Kodak and Fujifilm have found a way to stay in (film) business even with a greatly reduced demand for their film products, i.e. if it's still profitable for them to manufacture film stock. Maybe it's just me, but I do really hope film remains a choice for filmmakers for a long, long, long time. I wouldn't like to live in an all-digital filmmaking world, but that's just my personal opinion.

 

[Richard Andrewski]

Transportation costs are definitely a big part of the pricing of any product. Air cargo shipping for example is a huge factor more expensive than sea shipping. In my opinion that is the real reason for shipping by sea not some mass cover up about dead pixels if you fly at 20,000 feet or higher. Its simple economics. Many of these cameras would simply be more expensive if they shipped them by air freight and companies manufacturing lower cost products won't use air freight unless they absolutely have to. I've flown across the world at 30,000 feet or higher with my RED or Canon cameras several times and not seen any of these so called issues.