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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Indiewire's Emmy camera list, 4k and that stuff

Really interesting thoughts. I also saw this list earlier. I actually just shot a project last week with a sensor res of 7k but recording to 2k ProRes files for client. It looks fantastic and the oversampling going straight to 1080 doesn't leave a lot to be desired. I had to focus on getting perfect framing so there was no resizing and though I had pushed for 4k ProRes capture, they wanted 2k and it honestly worked way better than I thought. I went to RWG/L3G10 and added a LUT in post. Just looked at the files and I really dig them. Obviously more resolution would give more wiggle room, but also less rope with which the post-team could hang themselves on a quick-turnaround video.

When it comes down to it, DPs are choosing creatively and those who come from film often find that Arri's color science and sensor to be more in line with their way of thinking. I have shot plenty of 16mm film, but have almost all my hours in digital. To me the RED workflow fits in a bit better with what I'm looking to accomplish image-wise. Now that we can also go straight to ProRes at 2k and 4k for certain clients, I honestly feel more prepared than ever. To each their own...
 
Yes other movie makers will shoot on proper full-size IMAX touting it as the highest resolution cinematography format available.....

And as I've said elsewhere - if you don't like "sharpness", and by "sharpness" I mean that ghastly video look edge enhancement "sharpness", the trick is not to deliberately soften the image to get around some unaesthetic electronic circuit to but to shoot at a genuinely high resolution and achieve real sharpness through real detail that is not exaggerated. The curse of "HD" still haunts the industry.....

Graeme
 
Here's the full list:

Cinematography for a Single-Camera Series (One Hour)

“The Crown”
DP Adriano Goldman on the set of "The Crown"
Cameras: Sony F55s
Lens: Old Cooke Panchros rehoused by TLS UK

“The Handmaid’s Tale”
DP Colin Watkinson
Camera: Arri Alexa Mini
Lens: Canon K35 primes, Zeiss T2.1 primes. Canon K35 Zoom.

“Sense8”
DP John Toll
Camera: Sony F-55
Lens: Zeiss Ultra Prime lenses, and Fujinon 19-90 zoom lenses

“Westworld”
"WestWorld" DP Paul Cameron
Camera: Arricam Lite and Arriflex 235 (Kodak 35mm film)
Lens: Leica Summilux-C Primes, Fuji Premier Zooms, Canon K-35


Cinematography for a Limited Series or Movie

“Big Little Lies”
DP Yves Bélanger
Camera: Arri Alexa XT
Lens: Zeiss superspeed T1.3

“Black Mirror"
DP Seamus McGarvey
Camera: Sony F55
Lens: Primo spherical lenses supplied by Panavision

“Fargo”
DP Dana Gonzales
Camera: Arri Alexa Mini
Lens: Leica Summilux-C Lenses

“The Night Of”
DP Fred Elmes
Camera: Arri Alexa XT
Lens: Leica Summilux and Summicron lenses, ProRez 4444 recording format

“The Young Pope”
DP Luca Bigazzi
Camera: Red Weapon
Lens: Leica Summicron lenses. Canon zooms.


Cinematography for a Single-Camera Series (Half-Hour)

“Ballers”
DP Rodney Taylor
Camera: Arri Alexa Mini and Amira
Lens: Leica Summilux Prime Lenses

“Divorce”
DP Reed Morano
Camera: Arri Alexa
Lens: Arri Master Anamorphics

“Mozart in the Jungle”
DP Tobias Datum
Camera: Arri Alexa
Lens: Vintage Panavision high speed

“Silicon Valley”
DP Tim Suhrstedt
Camera: Alexa XT, Alexa Mini
Lens: Cooke S4 Prime Lenses, Angenieux 28-76mm Optima Zoom, Angenieux 45-120mm Optima Zoom, Angenieux 24-290mm Optima Zoom

“Transparent”
DP Jim Frohna
Camera: Canon C300 Mark II
Lens: pre-WWII Leica Leitz
 
End of the day, anyone who watches Stranger Things, Daredevil, Glow Utopia, Mr Robot knows there a a ton of talented people designing fantastic and unique looks on Red gear.

I don't really care about more pixels once we are up into the 4k/5k arena. I care about better pixels. Red has some sweet pixels. Certainly to the point where I absolutely don't feel I am losing out on something by using them.
 
End of the day, anyone who watches Stranger Things, Daredevil, Glow Utopia, Mr Robot knows there a a ton of talented people designing fantastic and unique looks on Red gear.

I don't really care about more pixels once we are up into the 4k/5k arena. I care about better pixels. Red has some sweet pixels. Certainly to the point where I absolutely don't feel I am losing out on something by using them.

That's true enough, but more "input pixels" also makes for better "output pixels".

Graeme
 
Oh yes absolutely. But while your job is both giving us more pixels and betterer pixels and cleaner and sharper images, our job is often to smear vasoline over the lens and put prisms over half the frame and to make everything halate and stick ancient fog filters on and induce CA up the wazoo all in the name of 'organicness' or some other cliche du jour.

I often feel you're like the amazingly talented Leo Fender being shocked at what Jimi Hendrix was doing setting alight to his lovingly engineered and perfected instruments.
 
End of the day, anyone who watches Stranger Things, Daredevil, Glow Utopia, Mr Robot knows there a a ton of talented people designing fantastic and unique looks on Red gear.
I think there are a lot of really talented people out there shooting great pictures on a lot of different cameras. Fairly recently, I think Ozark had some very unusual, distinctive images all shot on Panasonic Varicam LT. I really, truly believe it's more about the work of the DP (and to some degree the colorist) than it is the camera. We're at the point where given almost any high-end camera, lighting, lenses, and exposure, along with art direction, costume design, and makeup are all bigger factors.
 
Ozark looks fantastic. So muted and cold.
It's a very unusual, striking look -- DP Pepe Avlina Del Pino reportedly lit every scene (day and night) at 4400° K, which is an interesting creative choice.

http://nofilmschool.com/2017/07/sub...e-cinematic-show-pepe-avila-del-pino-dp-ozark

I wasn't aware of any noticeable noise issue in the whole show, but apparently quite a few interiors and night shots were done at 5000 ISO, which is really impressive -- even more so for a camera that costs under $20K.
 
Totally agree that a DP with great craft, solid crew and some talent is essential. Also agree that we have many excellent cameras to choose from, all capable of great imagery.

IMHO, getting to that next level of artistry is also about knowing your tools. In 3 days it will be the 10th anniversary of the day I got RedOne #19. During that time I have seen some assumptions made that did not work out well at all. I've also seen some choices made that really brought out the best in RED's imaging capabilities. YMMV ;-)

Cheers - #19
 
I wasn't aware of any noticeable noise issue in the whole show, but apparently quite a few interiors and night shots were done at 5000 ISO, which is really impressive -- even more so for a camera that costs under $20K.

It was shot on Varicam, which has 5000ISO native (hence why it was clean). Apparently - from that article you linked to - they didn't like how RED handled greens during testing (too digital) so they went with the VariCam which handled them well and still maintained Netflix's 4k requirements...

To be honest, I thought Ozark looked very similar to the day exteriors of Bloodlines' (which was Sony F55, I believe)... Figured the coolish/flourescent look was gonna be the next trend (without pushing it all the way to the a blue-orange/teal-peach "cinematic" look of yester-year.)
 
I've recently been toying with maintaining a WB of 4300 throughout a shoot as well. Glad to see someone has done the testing :)

Not seen Bloodline but I always applaud when a show takes a decision to be quite stylised. Granted those shows may tend to date faster but things that are of their time are no less valuable than things which are timeless.
 
In 3 days it will be the 10th anniversary of the day I got RedOne #19. During that time I have seen some assumptions made that did not work out well at all. I've also seen some choices made that really brought out the best in RED's imaging capabilities.
Yes, the timing is about right. I think it was October 2007 that we got in our first Red One project for post at Technicolor/Hollywood: some kind of car commercial. It was absolutely horrible and a miserable experience because we had no real workflow at that time. I hated the pictures, too -- the lenses were just crap. But... it got at lot better over the next few years, and I always point out, once Red hit the Dragon, I think the cameras started looking very good. Particularly with Zeiss or Cooke glass.
 
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