IMS Installed Finally!!!

[M_Sanderson]

Mizael,

Right now the only one approved is the Birger, but that one is not yet shipping.

The only one actually shipping is the IMS, but that voids your warranty.

The only one shipping and not voiding your warranty is the Red Nikon mount, and that one is only for Nikon and a dumb mount.

The Birger is supposed to start shipping next week, but then again that is pretty much what has been said since November or so.

So, welcome to the exciting world of third party mounts for the RED one

Cheers Martin
Yes, must be very frustrating for you guys with cameras already, but no mount, I find it frustrating and I dont even have my camera yet.

 

[Martin Weiss]

I am actually in your shoes as well, my camera is not up before November.

But when I started researching mounts in May I got really excited by the Birger, and shortly after by the IMS. Now, there is just no telling which one will be a solution come November.

Of course, ET is said to be working on a smart mount, and they do have the benefit of doubt on their side, as they have consistently delivered quality, and service.

In some way I can count myself lucky that I have til November to decide...

 

[M_Sanderson]

Yeah I dont plan to get any PL lenses only EF. But I need to do alot of testing cause I want to use the red on a project from January or maybe earlier, So if I get my cam end of sept/oct, time is running out.

Has there been any news from ET? I heard they announced it ages ago but nothing since.

 

[Martin Weiss]

I have not heard anything officially from ET, only Jarred mentioned it once as an alternative to Birger.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

IMAGE 1: IMS on RED: Leica Summicron-R 50mm f/1.4 at wide open, ISO 320, Output Gamma: RED Log.
Lighting: 3 bulbs (50w, deemed at 2/3) from celling to the glasses, one eco-light 11W from the floor to the background.

IMAGE 1: Fast and instant CC in Shake>TrueLight-FilmLight plug in>Kodak Vision Premier, Display: Rec 709, Colour Space: Log.

This should be a film print out simulation look (Kodak Vision Premier).

 

[M_Sanderson]

Looks good Sanjin,
What about the FD mount on IMS on RED is that possible?

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

I do have Canon FD lens mount for IMS on RED.

Maybe tomorrow I will have a look for one FD lens test (Angenieux zoom for Canon FD).

Stay tuned.

 

[Antoine Fabi]

Hi Sanjin,

I'd be EXTREMELY curious to hear about a Canon FD/Carl Zeiss comparo...

Some say the Zeiss would kick the FDs, ...others say the FD would easily equal the modern Zeiss ZF...

What do you think ?

thanks

Antoine

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

IMAGE 2: IMS on RED: Leica Summicron-R 50mm f/1.4 at wide open, ISO 500, Color Space: REDSpace, Output LUT/Gamma Space: RED Log.

IMAGE 2: Fast and instant CC in Shake>TrueLight-FilmLight plug in>Kodak Vision Premier, Display: Rec 709, Colour Space: Log.

IMAGE 3: IMS on RED: Leica Summicron-R 50mm f/1.4 at wide open, ISO 640, Color Space: REDSpace, Output LUT/Gamma Space: RED Log.

IMAGE 3: Fast and instant CC in Shake>TrueLight-FilmLight plug in>Kodak Vision Premier, Display: Rec 709, Colour Space: Log.

Hi Sanjin,

I'd be EXTREMELY curious to hear about a Canon FD/Carl Zeiss comparo...

Some say the Zeiss would kick the FDs, ...others say the FD would easily equal the modern Zeiss ZF...

What do you think ?

thanks

Antoine

Hi Antoine,

Difficult to say.

The fact is that FD glass is not in a production any more.

Zeiss ZF (Nikon F) and Zeiss Ikon (ZM) are all Made in Japan by Cosina.

Interesting thing is that Cosina also making lenses for Voigtländer that has lenses for Leica M and Nikon F mounts. BTW excellent lenses.

There is no such a set of still or cine lenses that is good or perfect in all focal lengths.

Thanks to IMS on RED you can make ZIG-ZAG between a different lens brands and a lens mounts to make your set the best as you can and of course affordable.

P.S. I'm talking here about manual lenses only (aperture and focus).

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Some more pictures from today, Monday, August 18,2008.

The smallest and lightless (Weight: 200g) lens available in my collection

Voigtländer Ultron 40mm F2 SL II Aspherical Nikon F mount

IMS on RED: Voigtländer Ultron 40mm F2 SL II Aspherical at f/5.6, Vocas Lightweight MB, Formatt 4x4 Filters: ND 0.9, Circular Polarizer, ISO 320, No CC, Color and Output Space Rec709.

IMS on RED: Voigtländer Ultron 40mm F2 SL II Aspherical at f/4, Vocas Lightweight MB, Formatt 4x4 Filters: ND 0.9, Circular Polarizer, ISO 500, No CC, Color and Output Space Rec709.

 

[Antoine Fabi]

Sanjin,

Yeah...Lenses performance is one of the most complicated and subjective matter...really...

I'ts not only technical...I've seen MTF charts that gave substantial advantage to a lense, but the other looked better in real life...

Makes me think about the Leica/Zeiss perpetual comfrontation...
2 superb lense kits...quite different looks though...

thanks!

Antoine

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Antoine,

you right.

Also I'm thinking about to get Canon FD 50mm/1.2 L.

"Some commentators called the Canon FD 1.2 aspherical the best standard lens in the world."LINK>>>

 

[Antoine Fabi]

Sanjin,

I have one of these 50mm f1.2L bayonet and also a 55mm f1.2AL breech mount.
Both exellent and sharp from 1.8.
...and from f2.8...WOW

The 35mm f2, 28mm f2, and the 20mm f2.8 are really good.

the 80-200 f3.5L (although ugly as hell... looks like a bazooka) gives very sharp images.

Antoine

 

[Antoine Fabi]

...and if you want a superbly punchy image...the low priced 50mm f1.4 bayonet can give some razor sharp images too. Same brand, different look...bizarre...

 

[chuck colburn]

{EDIT: I don't disagree with shims. I disagree with having an extra mounting surface}
Which is physically impossible if you think about how the mount works. You have FOUR removable possibly variable surfaces now as apposed to TWO with a standard PL mount. There is no way in hell they will maintain over heavy use.

This thing has no place on pro-shoots or rental bodies, no matter how cool it is.

IMHO of course.

Hi Mike,

I disagree. Eclair was able to make a similar concept work just fine on their ACL series.

cheers,

 

[Harry Clark]

AND the NPR. And the CM-3 (shooting both 35 and 16mm with the same camera no less!)
Arrinik and others are correct. P+S is a fantastic company. I own Pro and Mini-35s, I've had SR1 magazines redone to SR3 with no way to tell that they are not factory. I am a little concerned that backfocus would be less adjustable with the IMS, but it very cool nonetheless. Might be a better rental-house system though, because then you'd have staff techs to shim for different mounts, etc.
The i-data link is a must for me, too.
We'll see how it plays out I guess.
Nice going Sanjin!
Cheers,
Harry

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

The Interchangeable Mount System will allow you to use:

- all available IMS Mounts from P+S Technik.

The following lens mounts can be used with the P+S Technik Interchangeable Mount System
on the RED camera: Arri PL Mount, Panavision Mount, BNC-R Mount, Professional F-Mount,
Nikon F-Mount, Canon EF-Mount, Canon FD-Mount, Contax Mount, Leica-R Mount and Leica-M Mount.

- optical viewfinder with PL mount (coming end of this year)

- Field Collimator (coming end of this year)

The best mount system ever.

Just making RED camera more affordable then before.

Should be offered as one of RED's built to order or something like this standard.

We should not forget that PL mount is just a part of overall 35mm cine or still image acquisition world.

The times, they are sure a-changing fast.

If RED want to be a leader or on the edge of digital cinema world IMS is must have.

 

[Roberto B]

hey sj.. can you get a 2nd mount free of charge?.. i promise.. me would try to do even better advertisement than you.. well, if this will be possible anyway.. :devil:

my best

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

FG,

my IMS mount is not just for free,

I just spent more about 2000 Euros for IMS mounts that I would like to get and work with.

But anyway you didn't get the point.

Only manual lenses working the best with 2K, 4K, 5K, 6K, RED, EPIC, DALSA, GENESIS, ARRI D-21, PHANTOM HD, SI-2K , what else...

B4... pretty Sony, Panasonic, like a stuff, low end HD, HDV, SD, DV, PAL, NTSC, etc... OLD, OLD, OLD, not interested in!

Electronics, I do not want to talk about it...

As we all know very well that there are no perfect electronics...

BTW., NASA knows the best....

Let's go back to ol' manual lens stuff.

Just my 2 cents or take it (or leave it) as you like it.

 

[Tico Llaurador]

I believe the IMS and the ViewFactor Studios Impero and Inclino combo is a match made in heaven.

Hard to beat.