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Important question on SSD module

Jay A. Kelley

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Waaaaay back when we were talking about the release of RED ONE, there was a lot of excitement that we'd be able to use off the shelf storage to shoot with.

One of the sadder outcomes of the program was that due to a lot of different factors, that never happened, and we were stuck only being able to buy purchase CF cards and the like from RED.

Now with the NEW SSD module on the horizon, I am hoping and praying that we will be able to purchase off the shelf drives for use in these new modules.

Does anyone (Jarred) know if this will indeed be the case?

Jay
 
Howdy Jay!

The write speeds across the ssds are all across the board...and I don't think Red wants to deal with the idea of recording errors due to some cheapo ssds. but hey it would be nice to use off the shelf drives =)
of course we'll wait and see what the official word is.
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
Waaaaay back when we were talking about the release of RED ONE, there was a lot of excitement that we'd be able to use off the shelf storage to shoot with.

One of the sadder outcomes of the program was that due to a lot of different factors, that never happened, and we were stuck only being able to buy purchase CF cards and the like from RED.

Now with the NEW SSD module on the horizon, I am hoping and praying that we will be able to purchase off the shelf drives for use in these new modules.

Does anyone (Jarred) know if this will indeed be the case?

Jay
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Jay, in RED's defense, you actually can shoot with any media, including off the shelf esata drives, you're just limited to 2k. This goes along with the fact that way back when, the camera was just going to be a 2k camera. We all know RED gave us way more than the original plan and the only way to do that was to be able to guarantee certain parts of the system.

I'm under the opinion, that if you can find media that is reliable, widely available and that can perform on day 500 like it does on day 1, then I'm sure RED would be interested to make it available. My guess is that most people would want to use the cheaper MLC drives, but then you'd need the camera to support TRIM and you'd have to run TRIM commands on drives every so often, it would be a nightmare. What happens when you're about to do a $5000 shot or a $250,000 shot and you drop frames because you forgot to run a TRIM pass on your drive.

I think that there will be lots of different media choices for Epic, since we know everything from CF, Drives, Rams, and SSDs will be available. I don't think you should get your hopes up too high about cheap media that is supposed to support mission critical moments, it's worth more to RED and more to all of us to have 100% reliable media.


Last but not least, say RED is actually making a profit on media, let's face it, we all need them to make a profit somewhere, because we want them to keep doing this.
 
Steve buddy.
You've inserted the assumption of an arguement into my post that is not there.
I am not concerned with price. Accessibility is my interest

Red was unable to confirm any CF cards to be fast enough rof the camera. However,
SSDs will be much faster so it should be possible to get them elsewhere as needed.

Because media is hard to come by I find myself re using it more than I want too. Just looking for
More flexibility. Not bargain shopping.

You're thinking of a different thread

Jay
 
Tonaci Tran said:
The write speeds across the ssds are all across the board...and I don't think Red wants to deal with the idea of recording errors due to some cheapo ssds.
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It really isn't that difficult to google for SSD benchmarking tests. RED could also buy one of each model, benchmark them and make a sticky post with a list of the recommended ones.
 
Petri Teittinen said:
It really isn't that difficult to google for SSD benchmarking tests. RED could also buy one of each model, benchmark them and make a sticky post with a list of the recommended ones.
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Okay. You're running a company. The rest of the industry, well, doesn't like you so much.

You allow people to use any ol' recording media. Out of 7000+ users, several are going to complain about the camera dropping frames. When told to use another SSD, they'll go and post about how RED made them return their drive and buy whole new media. People will say, "You could have just checked the stickies!"

They'll go post on c.com. They'll say "RED sucks, why allow any drives when only certain ones work? Check the STICKIES? I thought this company was 'professional!'"

And thus a bad reputation is spread.
 
From what I understand RED takes several months of heavy testing before they approve a memory card. My guess is that RED needs to get back some money from that research, they're a company after all. So they have to make their own brand cards and sell them through the Red store.

I agree though that it would be very nice if you could just buy memory when you need it, especially if you are like me on the other side of the world and everything needs to be ordered and send to you.
 
TRIM?

TRIM?

Could you explain "TRIM"?... I tried a Google search with less than understandable results.

Steve Freebairn said:
My guess is that most people would want to use the cheaper MLC drives, but then you'd need the camera to support TRIM and you'd have to run TRIM commands on drives every so often, it would be a nightmare. What happens when you're about to do a $5000 shot or a $250,000 shot and you drop frames because you forgot to run a TRIM pass on your drive.
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Andy Jarosz said:
You're running a company. (...) You allow people to use any ol' recording media.
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Were I to run a company (heaven forbid!), I'd make my customers read a "For your own good" page on the web, then insert the same text as a printed dayglo pamphlet in the box, and it would say, in essence, "Current SSD drives are not created equal and performance figures published by manufacturers are a mix of half-truths and hype. We use drives that are expensive because they are tested and verified to have the performance our camera requires. If you know what you are doing and you're willing to risk dropped frames and ruined takes, you're welcome to use drives of your own choice. Just be aware that if you do and something goes disastrously wrong, the best we can do is commiserate."
 
re trim

re trim

re Trim

es frank said:
Here's a (technology-heavy) explanation from an article on AnandTech:
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Thank you Es. Basically trim cleans up deleted files and improves drive performance.

Nelson
 
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