Right - me neither. I noticed it, but I didn't care. If RED is as clean as they say it should be great for VFX because CG is clean and you should be able to drop a nice grain layer over it all to make it look right.
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Right - me neither. I noticed it, but I didn't care. If RED is as clean as they say it should be great for VFX because CG is clean and you should be able to drop a nice grain layer over it all to make it look right.
yes very true and this will be the beauty of the camera. The resolution of film and you are able to control how many inperfections you want in the footage.
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Well, personally, the interpolated resolution of DVCProHD bothers me a lot. I did quite a few tests last spring to see if I could work that way and be happy with it. I just don't like what it does to the video you feed it. Very robust codec, but scrunching 720p down to 960x720 and then scaling it back up for display is a bad idea. Same thing with 1080p being scaled down to 1440x1080. Some people can't tell the difference. It really grates on me, though. It's especially apparent if you have to add any kind of graphics. Rendered text is especially mangled by it.
There are other excellent options for working at those resolutions. I had very good experiences with Cineform's codecs. They keep saying that they'll be Mac-compatible soon. I'm having a good time working with Apple Intermediate Codec right now. Neither of those are "professional standard" codecs, but they're both far better options, IMO, than DCVProHD.
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well on a DLSR, if the scene is very well lit, then yes, the image will be damn clean. the problems come once the light levels go down. I like to shoot mainly during magic hours, and under those lighting conditions, there is a lot of noise in DLSR full-res images. that's why I suspect it won't hold up at 4K. but then again, once it's projected, and once the images are moving, the problems might not be noticeable. i'm keeping an open mind.
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Tom, I think there's a flaw in your original photo example. You compare a resampled image to the original and say the resampled one looks cleaner. But the resampled one is smaller! If you really wanted to compare, you'd have to blow the resampled one back up to the same size as the original.
Why not use a more intelligent kind of noise reduction than just resampling your images to 2K and then blowing them back up again? I mean, that's just like doing a low-precision blur. You have a lot of other options - even if you are doing something as simple as a gaussian blur and mixing it with 20% of the original 4K for a little extra crispness.
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Why not use a more intelligent kind of noise reduction than just resampling your images to 2K and then blowing them back up again? I mean, that's just like doing a low-precision blur. You have a lot of other options - even if you are doing something as simple as a gaussian blur and mixing it with 20% of the original 4K for a little extra crispness.
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Yeah but Bruce, my point is very basic. A downsampled image taken from a full-res photo simply looks better when viewed at the downsampled size. Everyone knows this. It's common sense. Obviously I'm not claiming it will hold up when upsampled back to 4k!
My point is that once you downsample a 4K DLSR image to around 2K, all the imperfections in the image disappear and it become very pristine and beautiful. Anyone who works with large DLSR photos, especially ones taken under low-light conditions, knows this to be true.
Actually this whole thread by me is rather pointless, because I will probably shoot and edit at 4K anyway, due to the fact that I cannot gain any advantage (overcranking, etc) by working at 2K.
My point is that once you downsample a 4K DLSR image to around 2K, all the imperfections in the image disappear and it become very pristine and beautiful. Anyone who works with large DLSR photos, especially ones taken under low-light conditions, knows this to be true.
Actually this whole thread by me is rather pointless, because I will probably shoot and edit at 4K anyway, due to the fact that I cannot gain any advantage (overcranking, etc) by working at 2K.