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I'm curious. . . who here on RED User is certain they will be buying an Epic X?

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I'm very torn about the whole Epic-X/Epic FF35 thing. I'm curious as to who has positively decided (as much as one can be positive at this point, anyway) to purchase the Epic-X system when it becomes available. And, even more importantly, why?

Thanks much.

Stephen
 
Hey Stephen

I am (as of now) an Epic X to be customer and the reasons are basic. Besides the obvious increased sensor size, fps, dynamic range etc, I simply appreciate the S35 format and the glass available to cover it. I want to own a lighter and more modular R1.
 
I'm passing on the Epic-X and gonna wait for either the FF35 or the 645. Not sure which one yet but it will be one of the two to take full advantage of my anamorphics. The Epic-X is tempting and will be more so when it's closer to being shipped but I would rather use my trade in value towards the camera I really want.
 
I think I've pretty much decided that regardless of my choice to get a FF35 at some point down the road, I'm definitely getting an Epic-X. Mostly because I have a passion for (and am in the business of) making movies and there's no reason to wait around for something "even better" when what we've got is already fantastic. I was just looking at some RED ONE dailies on Blu-ray and reminded of how insanely beautiful this footage can be. The Epic-X is already a big step up in a lot of ways. Sure, a little more dynamic range is always nice and when the FF35s finally ship I'll probably want one of those, too. But RED isn't exactly known for sticking to schedules and I'd rather be out shooting than inside waiting. Plus, the Epic-X will have more resolution in s35 mode than the FF35 and I personally consider that to be an important variable. Of course all of this is based on speculation and information that we've been given from RED; none of these cameras exist yet. But given their track record in the last couple of years, I think 2009 is going to be a remarkable year for digital cinema no matter which camera suits you best.
 
I'm leaning to EPIC X because I think Monstro will be a year behind EPIC-X despite what it currently says on the website. If Monstro truly is only a few months behind X then I think RED should skip it, launch Scarlet with the Mysterium X and have all Epic's be monstros.

It is a very confusing product matrix. I just went back to the page on RED.com and got a headache.
 
Joel Kaye said:
It is a very confusing product matrix. I just went back to the page on RED.com and got a headache.
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Which is the reason I've stopped even thinking now about what I'll choose then and when.
 
I'll get whatever available, so if X is going to be the first, then I will gonna get it. If then come FF35, will upgrade it again.

Because whatever will be out by then, surely it is going to be the best of the rest.


Häakon said:
there's no reason to wait around for something "even better" when what we've got is already fantastic.
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Agreed.



José
 
I'm in for X all the way. X will be far better than One and gets me into the system at an incredibly attractive price. Beyond that, as others have said who knows how long the other goodies will take to get to market. The 645 and 617 are ultimately where I want to go, we'll see how long it take to get there. Good fun !
Aloha
-A
 
I will upgrade. I absolutely want 4K at 125fps and 2k at 250fps. I also know the still image quality will be much better like going from a Canon Digital Rebel XTi to a 5D Mark II the difference being I will be able to shoot 125 of those each second.

-shooter
 
I will be buying my first couple used Red One's when all these early adopters upgrade to EPIC because I agree, the Red One already IS an incredible camera and as a filmmaker, I will take a great script shot on a DVX-100 over crap shot on an FF35 Monstro anyday;)

So hurry up Red, pump out those Epic's so I can score some trade in Red One's for Sub $10K :P
 
I'll upgrade to an Epic-X, I have an early enough serial number to pretty much guarantee ROI before the FF or 645 come out. My second purchase will ideally be a 645 but we'll have to see how the delivery timing works out.
 
Has Red set up a program yet or announced the details of all the used Red's they will be taking on trade for Epic? It's gotta be 500+ camera's? Maybe 1,000+?
 
Definitely upgrading. Buy another brain as per necessary for production.
 
I will get a Epic-X. There are economical as well as historical reasons to do so:

a. Red's cameras are cheap. My RedOne paid already for it self. When I'm in the line for an EpicX it's going to be probably another year until it will be delivered - spring 2010. Until then my RedOne has earned double or more of it's investment.

b. I'm monitoring Red's success since three years or more. They never fullfilled the estimated delivery until they got in the high-numbers of the RedOne. Also, they over-fullfilled the proclaimed specs. Both does also count for acessories.


From these two perspectives I assume that:

1. Epic-X will be delayed. Red has now gained a lot of experience, no doubt - but designing a new camera is still a challenge and the modules are a new concept. To bring that into life is a big, big challenge. They will succeed but it will take a while.

2. Epic-X' sensor will be better than now advertised, a real and visible upgrade to RedOne. The worldwide industry is looking at them very, very carfully. If Epic-X won't be a superior camera the rockstars will move to the next boat.

3. The third generation sensors (monstro) will be delayed even more - simply because they must be quantum leap. I think that's what Jim Jannard wants.

Conclusion: In the meantime, between Epic-X and Epic-FF, the ROI will be positive and an upgrade to Epic-FF the first real investment in this regard since I bought the RedOne - which by then will be more than 3 years ago.

Hans
 
Do you really have a license plate that says " I do 24P"? If you do, Im at the Fairmont in Santa Monica and could do with a good laugh...just drive it slowly throug the driveway at 11.04PM tonight.
I could settle for less: Someone performing at stupid overacted ninja stunt in the big tree in the driveway...maybe a fullburn would be cool. I bet several REDusers on Harleys and with strap-on REDs sporting the Birgermüslimounts and some sigma lenses could perfect my experience.But we will need a DUT to wrangle all that beautiful data.
Ohh the sheer talent we wil see on that great day.. Remember to bring your oakley sunglasses so we can all look really cool.
Joking aside, I just finished shooting a feature using my RED, and must say the images are really really good on print
Epic X is the obvious upgrade choiche

Best JJ DP
 
I will upgrade to Epic-X. Besides the obvious reasons, the weight reduction will be very beneficial for both my shoulder and my jib.
 
Evin Grant said:
I'll upgrade to an Epic-X, I have an early enough serial number to pretty much guarantee ROI before the FF or 645 come out. My second purchase will ideally be a 645 but we'll have to see how the delivery timing works out.
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same.

Plus I'll also pick up a pair of Scarlets for 3D.
 
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