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I doubt Scarlet is a DSLR killer

Are people going to consider the DSMCs over DSLRs when looking for a stills camera? No, obviously not.

However, if the autofocus, flash-control, IQ and ergonomics of a DSMC are comparable to those of pro-level Nikon/Canon DSLRs, then they may well hold a lot of appeal for those of us who shoot both stills and motion photography (as I do). Because they'd allow you to get by with just the one set of cameras. Which is a fairly significant financial incentive when you consider the cost of pro-DSLRs these days.
 
scenario: two guys go for a job shooting lets say people... No lets say a news story...No, lets say some wildlife... Ok how about a wedding... or a studio shoot for someone's child.
Photographer A takes his trusty canon and fires away frames as he tries to make the child laugh with a pathetic little teddy bear and captures a few hundred shots as he moves around his fixed tripod in his false environment making comments that he says everyday to get a response that in turn is to find the natural element of the child...

OK

Photographer B He gets out his scarlet and hits burst mode. Maybe he has an is lens and birger mount (Im sure that will be available then...) He says nothing shooting 2 hundred shots every few seconds... He moves around the subject, feels where the moments are. The child gets use to the camera starts playing naturally. The photographer isn't asking them to be anything. The photographer sees some light shining in the back ground the child turns. Something looked nice...he continues...

He goes back to his edit suite and finds the frame. A one shot that just had the perfect elements at the right time...

He puts it in his portfolio...

Another mother is looking for a photographer and checks out photographer A's website and then photographer B's...

Think about this scenario in..

weddings
news
nature
i hate to say it.. paparazzi's
fashion...

In fact every proffesional arena..

Is it a dslr killer?

Well that choice is yours but i'm glad there's a lot of people who think not.
 
supernovafilms said:
scenario: two guys go for a job shooting lets say people... No lets say a news story...No, lets say some wildlife... Ok how about a wedding... or a studio shoot for someone's child.
Photographer A takes his trusty canon and fires away frames as he tries to make the child laugh with a pathetic little teddy bear and captures a few hundred shots as he moves around his fixed tripod in his false environment making comments that he says everyday to get a response that in turn is to find the natural element of the child...

OK

Photographer B He gets out his scarlet and hits burst mode. Maybe he has an is lens and birger mount (Im sure that will be available then...) He says nothing shooting 2 hundred shots every few seconds... He moves around the subject, feels where the moments are. The child gets use to the camera starts playing naturally. The photographer isn't asking them to be anything. The photographer sees some light shining in the back ground the child turns. Something looked nice...he continues...

He goes back to his edit suite and finds the frame. A one shot that just had the perfect elements at the right time...

He puts it in his portfolio...

Another mother is looking for a photographer and checks out photographer A's website and then photographer B's...

Think about this scenario in..

weddings
news
nature
i hate to say it.. paparazzi's
fashion...

In fact every proffesional arena..

Is it a dslr killer?

Well that choice is yours but i'm glad there's a lot of people who think not.
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Hi Jason,

So the key to great photography is a high speed motor drive? Just wondering.

Thanks,

-Fran

http://www.frankuhn.com
 
"great photography" is too a subjective word to use... Great photography extends past the tools one uses... I know many a people who have great tools but take not great photographs... I think if you go down that road in understanding you will run into limitations in understanding..

A pro of the same capabilities and understanding etc... if we we were to clone him or her and each had two different tools... What i am saying then is, the one who owns the DSMC will have great advantage... Not because of resolution but because he or she will have more opportunities to capture "moments"

I can tell you from experience that since using red my shots have improved over 100% from the same skill level (which is not high) and helps me achieve the outcome i want better.. Depends exactly on what you want achieve. You have to know what to look for, or have a clear idea of what you want to achieve but say for example you need a photograph for a specific purpose, then, this tool greatly aids you.

One case in example; I was recently shooting three children together and photographing them. All three were doing what they want as children do. Rather than coerce them to look at the camera and get a fake shot, I just conversed with them. Something funny was said or something that engaged them and they all in a split moment had this look... Its hard to explain but its like all the photos were crap except this one, 1/25th of a second frame grab. The frames either side were crap. I achieved that shot in five minutes and because of the situation i didn't have long. It is one of the best shots I have taken of children. It was also the first day i shot with a red camera.
My objective was video but i got a great frame grab also... The video is moving so its a different world. The sequence was cool but as a photograph only that split 1/25th of a second could get this amazing shot.

So i provided videos but also a great still that would have only been a complete fluke by a pro.

Now say you are a news cameraman in these circumstances? Imagine you are a wedding video person... There is no need to hire a photographer unless the light is so bad on site you need a flash and you can't use continuous lights. Even then you could synch a flash but you would loose the burst advantage...

With great skill on focusing and high speed lenses in available light and with the help of IS lenses or steadicam you will be getting shots that are so natural and beautiful that only the most vainest of clients wont see the appeal.

Thats my opinion.
 
supernovafilms said:
. . .Its hard to explain but its like all the photos were crap except this one, 1/25th of a second frame grab.
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Hi Jason,

You mean 1/50th second, right? (25 fps?).

I would not recommend doing any paying job including weddings, sports or kids at 25fps, 1/50th unless you're prepared to do a re-shoot. At that speed, you're playing Russian Roulette with motion blur.

Just my opinion.

-Fran

http://www.frankuhn.com
 
Fran Kuhn said:
Hi Jason,

You mean 1/50th second, right? (25 fps?).

I would not recommend doing any paying job including weddings, sports or kids at 25fps, 1/50th unless you're prepared to do a re-shoot. At that speed, you're playing Russian Roulette with motion blur.

Just my opinion.

-Fran

http://www.frankuhn.com
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Maybe i was just lucky on those cases but obviously i see your point... with motion blur the option to IS or red stabilized lenses or with the small size factor, lower model steadicam, . Now what is a good frame rate do you reckon? 125th sec? 5k mode in epic? or 150th in 4 k mode? or Depends on the light? the subject movement?
I see these paths merging personally... Its a matter of time and everyday it gets closer for this path... but scarlet, yes maybe its no dslr killer....
 
supernovafilms said:
Maybe i was just lucky on those cases but obviously i see your point... with motion blur the option to IS or red stabilized lenses or with the small size factor, lower model steadicam, . Now what is a good frame rate do you reckon? 125th sec? 5k mode in epic? or 150th in 4 k mode? or Depends on the light? the subject movement?
I see these paths merging personally... Its a matter of time and everyday it gets closer for this path... but scarlet, yes maybe its no dslr killer....
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Hi Jason,

I know that many newspapers have been using HD video cameras for the past few years to gather content (including frame grabs), but they have not thrown away their still cameras, either.

I'm not quite sure why, but I've noticed (along with all the sports photography guys I know) that digital doesn't freeze action at the same shutter speeds as film. I don't know exactly why this is, but I've found that subjects I can freeze easily at 1/500th sec with film need to be shot at closer to 1/1000 with digital to get the same degree of sharpness.

I just shot my six year-old daughter's birthday party and did most of that at 1/250th with 35mm and 120mm film. Kids move fast, as I'm sure you know!:)

I realize there's always a chance that you'll be able to pull a good frame from a motion film or video shoot, it's just that you generally need some degree of blurring to make for convincing moton. The first animators discovered this--characters drawn without blur looked too robotic. But for most stills, you don't want your subject motion blurred. That's partly why there have been on-set still photographers as long as there have been major motion pictures. Those productions certainly have no shortage of frame grabs, but they've found that good stills require different camera settings.


-Fran

http://www.frankuhn.com
 
supernovafilms said:
weddings
news
nature
i hate to say it.. paparazzi's
fashion...
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Paparazzi and newsgathering, yes. But I wonder if the result could be called professional then.
As for nature or fashion: Not on the slightest.

Somehow I got the feeling you underestimate still photography in itself quite a bit.
 
There's only one thing to ad here from my perspective and that is I believe photography is largely defined by its technical advancement. The photographer has to determine a number of factors in order to get what he or she wants, aperture, shutter speeds, composition etc..

To get what you want there are compromises but what is it that the photographer is capturing?

What makes a great photograph?

What is more important, subject matter or technical quality?

I would say that it is the subject that reigns king... Without the subject there is no essence or soul to the photograph. The subject is what captures an audience (wether motion or stills)

The subject is more than an image, it is an emotional experience. A reflection. We desire to see images because we identify with its "essence" depending on our subjective or objective viewpoint.

So in balancing for that eternal quest for visual perfection i think the world is ready for a balance towards more subject orientated subjects with an emphasis on realism.

One of the reasons i think is that in these days every man and his dog has at least a canon rebel and scrolling through flicker you will see millions of photos of the same kinds of things in terms of subject matter. It's hard to identify with. Nothing stands out. They are clones of the masters of the 1960's and 70's. The opening of digital and auto everything has made photography so accessible and everyone an instant pro to a certain respect, that i think what will stand out in the future will be a new kind of emphasis on subject and the initial tests show that DSMC's will have potential if conceived in the right way. Maybe like some of you suggest it may be a quick flip of a switch that produces a burst mode and then back to video, still making the experience relatively single user operated and increased ease of use, giving the user more adaptability and giving the subject more latitude in terms of producing an emotion outcome.

It all depends on what exactly you want to achieve. For me i feel very positive towards these advancements...
 
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