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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

I can't wait!

Epic is, well, epic.

Count me in. but let me first squeeze all I can out of the RED ONE. this thing is such a MONSTER image maker in the eyes of every other "HD" camera on the market it's...well....sick.
 
Guess, nobody has any idea how much power EPIC will require? The good thing is the smaller weight and size compared to Red One. Hopefully that's not counterbalanced by the power packs.
 
Shawn Nelson said:
I've had pretty different feelings about Epic. I think it needs to beat film in DR and do 14 stops or double the FPS to 240 to even approach being worth double the price. Eh...
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Shawn -

What something is "worth" should be based on ROI. How fast does it equal ZERO?

I assure you that when EPIC is available, projects with decent budgets will demand it. EVERYONE will be shooting RED and rental rates for the REDONE will be VERY low. It does not take a rocket scientist to understand that Major motion pictures and commercials will want EPIC over RED ONE.

EPIC offers better dynamic range, higher resolution, smaller and lighter. A product that incorporates everything that the RED TEAM has learned building the Red One.

To me, at twice the price, it's just right. Still cheaper than a Varicam or a F900, it's priced high enough to create some separation between "high-end" professional service providers and others.

So, respectfully Shawn, I disagree. Even if the changes in image quality are MINOR - it would still be a great investment at that price. A much better investment than the RED ONE IMHO.

People want the biggest gun.
 
I'm in on EPIC, too, it seems, after a chat with my business partner.
2 Scarlets and an epic when they come up.
Whether I'll swap the RED or not is an open question. But I think I might, just because of the expebsive milage it will have by then. (since I received it, this is the 2nd day only I will not be out shooting for hours.)

But I'll try to squeezze every little cent out of RED untill then.

Keep it up!

Gunleik
 
There will be much water under the bridge until EPIC will be released.

Nonetheless I can clearly see the need of a RED camera positioned above the REDOne. If RED is not doing it someone else will do it.

Apart from this REDOne is in its current status a brilliant tool and truely revolutionary. Any camera that follows will be rather an evolution than a revolution.

Personally I wait and decide later. In any case EPIC seems to be a bargain - at least from todays point of view.

One thing amazed me most about Epic: The ability to trade in my by then old REDOne for the price I purchased it.

This is revolutionary - again.

Hans
 
I agree with shawn I think it has to have better DR and Faster FPS. lighter is nice but not sure that alone would swing it. I never quite understood why some people want the tools to be more expensive or out of the reach of all but a few but not so much so that only studios can afford it.

if you want to stand out its better to do it with talent and ingenuity rather than the size of your wallet. part of the reason RED ONE is a success is that so many people could afford it. well more than could ever afford a high end sony camera. so its probably the most beta tested camera in history at this stage with so many eyes on it.
 
In my opinion EPIC will cost what RED ONE should have cost if RED wouldn't have offered RED ONE at such an unreasonably low price point. The natural follow-on thought to that is EPIC at $40k is underpriced if you seriously analyze the initial specifications for the camera, and then superimpose those specs over a performance-to-price index for all similar camera systems (good luck finding one).

Those who have a RED ONE, and beyond their production skills, also know how to effectively market their services, and want to trade their RED ONE into an EPIC, should have no problem generating the revenue to do so.

The decision to adopt EPIC is a business decision - pure and simple. Those who feel their business can benefit from the lighter weight (thus increased mobility), higher resolution, higher frame rates of EPIC, and other features of EPIC should seriously consider the upgrade. Those who own a RED ONE, and feel their business model can't justify adopting EPIC should stick with RED ONE, consider upgrading the sensor to Mysterium X, and go out and generate maximum income with the camera.

RED will be fully supporting RED ONE looking forward. It will continue to be a dynamic 4k/3k/2k camera system that has broad and deep production utility.

IMO no RED ONE adopters should feel abandoned by RED's announcement of EPIC. RED ONE, especially when upgraded to Mysterium X, is an extremely potent revenue generating machine. If you're a one-person company owning a RED ONE, my advice for revenue generation would be to analyze all the multiple genres and sub-genres of cine-style and EFP-style production RED ONE is capable of being used in, and then plot a course to get your camera involved in as many of those types of productions as possible. If you operate yourself, spread your skill sets to match what RED ONE is capable of. Very few RED ONE owners and/or users have skill sets broad enough to maximize what the camera is capable of. Final advice: market your services constantly, by every means at your disposal. If you live in a small market area, plan to travel a lot for work, or simply move to a larger market area. As a lifestyle choice, I live on the California Central Coast, half way between L.A. and the Bay Area. The price I pay for that lifestyle is traveling for work about 25 days of every month. If you want to reach your goals, and/or support your lifestyle, there will be some sacrifice involved.

In the right hands, people with progressive attitudes, and broad skill sets, EPIC will also be a potent revenue generation camera. So will Scarlet.

Open your minds to ways to utilize camera systems, spread your skill sets, and market your services effectively - and you'll be surprised how exponentially your business will grow!

Side note: Our production group will order at least eight EPIC cameras, retain around four RED ONE cameras upgraded to Mysterium X (we own seven RED ONE cameras right now), and order at least ten Scarlet cameras.
 
Gibby said:
In my opinion EPIC will cost what RED ONE should have cost if RED wouldn't have offered RED ONE at such an unreasonably low price point. The natural follow-on thought to that is EPIC at $40k is underpriced if you seriously analyze the initial specifications for the camera, and then superimpose those specs over a performance-to-price index for all similar camera systems (good luck finding one).

Those who have a RED ONE, and beyond their production skills, also know how to effectively market their services, and want to trade their RED ONE into an EPIC, should have no problem generating the revenue to do so.

The decision to adopt EPIC is a business decision - pure and simple. Those who feel their business can benefit from the lighter weight (thus increased mobility), higher resolution, higher frame rates of EPIC, and other features of EPIC should seriously consider the upgrade. Those who own a RED ONE, and feel their business model can't justify adopting EPIC should stick with RED ONE, consider upgrading the sensor to Mysterium X, and go out and generate maximum income with the camera.

RED will be fully supporting RED ONE looking forward. It will continue to be a dynamic 4k/3k/2k camera system that has broad and deep production utility.

IMO no RED ONE adopters should feel abandoned by RED's announcement of EPIC. RED ONE, especially when upgraded to Mysterium X, is an extremely potent revenue generating machine. If you're a one-person company owning a RED ONE, my advice for revenue generation would be to analyze all the multiple genres and sub-genres of cine-style and EFP-style production RED ONE is capable of being used in, and then plot a course to get your camera involved in as many of those types of productions as possible. If you operate yourself, spread your skill sets to match what RED ONE is capable of. Very few RED ONE owners and/or users have skill sets broad enough to maximize what the camera is capable of. Final advice: market your services constantly, by every means at your disposal. If you live in a small market area, plan to travel a lot for work, or simply move to a larger market area. As a lifestyle choice, I live on the California Central Coast, half way between L.A. and the Bay Area. The price I pay for that lifestyle is traveling for work about 25 days of every month. If you want to reach your goals, and/or support your lifestyle, there will be some sacrifice involved.

In the right hands, people with progressive attitudes, and broad skill sets, EPIC will also be a potent revenue generation camera. So will Scarlet.

Open your minds to ways to utilize camera systems, spread your skill sets, and market your services effectively - and you'll be surprised how exponentially your business will grow!

Side note: Our production group will order at least eight EPIC cameras, retain around four RED ONE cameras upgraded to Mysterium X (we own seven RED ONE cameras right now), and order at least ten Scarlet cameras.
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Excellent advice as always.
 
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