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Thanks, but I think these discounts won't come to eastern europe...
Dont assume anything. You will never know for sure until you ask
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Thanks Tom, but I know my country... 
Just imagine, there's no Lenovo workstations here... No distributor, no service background, nothing... Just the commercial Lenovo products, no workstations...
Dell Precision workstations are available, but not from Dell, but from another distributor and not the whole range of products just a few...
HP seems the best supported in this country. But price was it's extremely expensive here... Just compared the price for a few similar models here, and in the US, and it's 1,5 or sometimes 2 times more expensive... it's nonsense...
I would really like to get a workstation for the reliability and quality, but there's not too much chance here...
In HP, which is the cheapest workstation I could get away for Premiere CS6? z220 is too small I think, but z420? Or should I get for the price of z420 a cheaper config in z620, with the bigger PSU and bigger case etc.. ?
Just imagine, there's no Lenovo workstations here... No distributor, no service background, nothing... Just the commercial Lenovo products, no workstations...
Dell Precision workstations are available, but not from Dell, but from another distributor and not the whole range of products just a few...
HP seems the best supported in this country. But price was it's extremely expensive here... Just compared the price for a few similar models here, and in the US, and it's 1,5 or sometimes 2 times more expensive... it's nonsense...
I would really like to get a workstation for the reliability and quality, but there's not too much chance here...
In HP, which is the cheapest workstation I could get away for Premiere CS6? z220 is too small I think, but z420? Or should I get for the price of z420 a cheaper config in z620, with the bigger PSU and bigger case etc.. ?
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The Z420 is HP's most popular tower workstation right now. Great design, you can start with single CPU and add a secondary module for another CPU. I actually advise against doing that, better to start with both CPUs if you think you might need them, as adding them later is more expensive. The Z620 is great, much like the Z820, but not quite as expandable and doesn't have all the CPU and liquid cooling options. Z820 is king of the kill, for now... All of them run Premiere CS6 very well. The Z220 is too small for most uses.
Lenovo workstations are hard to find in the USA, can't imagine what it's like elsewhere. About the only way to get them is to order direct. They have very few actual dealers which sell the workstations / servers these days as 99% of their business is notebooks. That said, they are nice workstations, but you get more options and better pricing, here in the USA at least, from HP.
Dell's new Precision workstation line are also good, but if you can't buy them that doesn't really help...
AlienWare systems are overpriced crap, IMO. They are actually owned by Dell now, have been for several years. My last dealings with them were before the Dell take-over and that turned into a legal battle, something for another thread, I guess. I've not dealt with them since Dell took over, but I've heard things are not much better.
The HP Z1 workstation is another consideration. Actually does rather well with Adobe CS6 for an all-in-one system.
It's really difficult to give purchase advice without knowing what is available in your country. I understand the price concerns as I've helped others in foreign markets before. And when we discuss even the Z series workstations from HP, there is a huge price range to work with. And with that I have no idea about their pricing in your area or what options are available...
What is available in your area for generic PC systems? Are there local companies that will assemble gaming systems or personal workstations? This may turn out a lot cheaper than something like a box from HP. Those of us on the forum can probably help put together a list of components for you and maybe you can find someone in your area to assemble it and put a guaranty on it?
Either one of those i7 CPUs is a good choice. The 3960X has the edge and can show noticeable gains in very computationally-intense operations. Partly due to the little faster speed, but more so to do with the larger cache. It's best suited if you do a lot of rendering, bulk image processing, simulations... The 3930K is cheaper and a bit easier to overclock if you're looking to go that direction.
Just a warning with the GTX690, the drivers are still a bit flakey for pro OpenGL use and in apps like Resolve where multiple CUDA cards can be utilized. I have one system with a 690 in it and I try not to look at the Windows event log because the nVidia drivers generate an exception error continuously. It's a known bug, but not high on nVidia's priority list for fixes as I think it's benign.
Lenovo workstations are hard to find in the USA, can't imagine what it's like elsewhere. About the only way to get them is to order direct. They have very few actual dealers which sell the workstations / servers these days as 99% of their business is notebooks. That said, they are nice workstations, but you get more options and better pricing, here in the USA at least, from HP.
Dell's new Precision workstation line are also good, but if you can't buy them that doesn't really help...
AlienWare systems are overpriced crap, IMO. They are actually owned by Dell now, have been for several years. My last dealings with them were before the Dell take-over and that turned into a legal battle, something for another thread, I guess. I've not dealt with them since Dell took over, but I've heard things are not much better.
The HP Z1 workstation is another consideration. Actually does rather well with Adobe CS6 for an all-in-one system.
It's really difficult to give purchase advice without knowing what is available in your country. I understand the price concerns as I've helped others in foreign markets before. And when we discuss even the Z series workstations from HP, there is a huge price range to work with. And with that I have no idea about their pricing in your area or what options are available...
What is available in your area for generic PC systems? Are there local companies that will assemble gaming systems or personal workstations? This may turn out a lot cheaper than something like a box from HP. Those of us on the forum can probably help put together a list of components for you and maybe you can find someone in your area to assemble it and put a guaranty on it?
Either one of those i7 CPUs is a good choice. The 3960X has the edge and can show noticeable gains in very computationally-intense operations. Partly due to the little faster speed, but more so to do with the larger cache. It's best suited if you do a lot of rendering, bulk image processing, simulations... The 3930K is cheaper and a bit easier to overclock if you're looking to go that direction.
Just a warning with the GTX690, the drivers are still a bit flakey for pro OpenGL use and in apps like Resolve where multiple CUDA cards can be utilized. I have one system with a 690 in it and I try not to look at the Windows event log because the nVidia drivers generate an exception error continuously. It's a known bug, but not high on nVidia's priority list for fixes as I think it's benign.
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Thanks Jeff!
I don't want something like Z1, because of upgrade problems in the future..... However, it was proved to me several times, when I bought very good desktop PCs, which was really on the higher end of personal computers at their time, I bought them with the thought that I could upgrade them later, however when several years later I wanted to upgrade it was always a totally new machine, because by that time so much had to be changed so it was easier to buy a completely new system..... In this way a system like Z1 could fit my needs, but that way an iMac would do the trick as well.... What you think of iMac and CS6?
If I really want I could find someone, maybe the computer guy I talked previously, to build a new machine, or rebuild mine with the specs I give to him, but.... Isn't it better to buy a complete system from a brand like Dell or HP or Lenovo?
I would like to go the workstation route beacuse of quality and reliability, but what do I lose or risk if I would go with a simple desktop computer from HP or DELL, or Lenovo, which has specs that meet the needs of video editing, like RAM, processor, GPU etc... So basically with the same, or similar specs like a workstation, only it is just a desktop pc...
I contacted many companies here, and there is a slight chance for HP,DELL, and Lenovo workstations, but the range is limited and the prices high... I'm waiting for the answer emails and then I'll see what are the opportunities... BTW it seems that are a wider range of opportunities in terms of FUJITSU products. Do you know that brand?
Anyway, could you tell me why the memories, and HDDs are so expensive from these companies for their workstations?
Anyway, what about getting a notebook computer for this purpose? Isn't it easier? Like a Macbook Pro, or HP, DELL, Lenovo workstation? Or I put here the iMac and Z1 systems too... What I lose, what I gain?
But... independently from brands there are the specs.... So, could you give me tips for a system, which is a good and usable system for my needs and cost as little as it can
It seems that in case of workstations I can't choose GTX GPUs, just Quadros, or AMDs. The price of Quadro 2000 is really low right now, and Quadro 4000 is around 800USD here.
Right now my PC looks like this:
AMD Athlon 2,2Ghz x 2 cores, so 4,4Ghz
4GB Ram
Winfast 7800 GTX gpu
74GB Velicoraptor for boot drive
2x500GB WD HDDs
What is it good for in terms of CS6 Premiere? Is it cabaple of standard SD, and proxy editing, or not?
Many thanks....
I don't want something like Z1, because of upgrade problems in the future..... However, it was proved to me several times, when I bought very good desktop PCs, which was really on the higher end of personal computers at their time, I bought them with the thought that I could upgrade them later, however when several years later I wanted to upgrade it was always a totally new machine, because by that time so much had to be changed so it was easier to buy a completely new system..... In this way a system like Z1 could fit my needs, but that way an iMac would do the trick as well.... What you think of iMac and CS6?
If I really want I could find someone, maybe the computer guy I talked previously, to build a new machine, or rebuild mine with the specs I give to him, but.... Isn't it better to buy a complete system from a brand like Dell or HP or Lenovo?
I would like to go the workstation route beacuse of quality and reliability, but what do I lose or risk if I would go with a simple desktop computer from HP or DELL, or Lenovo, which has specs that meet the needs of video editing, like RAM, processor, GPU etc... So basically with the same, or similar specs like a workstation, only it is just a desktop pc...
I contacted many companies here, and there is a slight chance for HP,DELL, and Lenovo workstations, but the range is limited and the prices high... I'm waiting for the answer emails and then I'll see what are the opportunities... BTW it seems that are a wider range of opportunities in terms of FUJITSU products. Do you know that brand?
Anyway, could you tell me why the memories, and HDDs are so expensive from these companies for their workstations?
Anyway, what about getting a notebook computer for this purpose? Isn't it easier? Like a Macbook Pro, or HP, DELL, Lenovo workstation? Or I put here the iMac and Z1 systems too... What I lose, what I gain?
But... independently from brands there are the specs.... So, could you give me tips for a system, which is a good and usable system for my needs and cost as little as it can
It seems that in case of workstations I can't choose GTX GPUs, just Quadros, or AMDs. The price of Quadro 2000 is really low right now, and Quadro 4000 is around 800USD here.
Right now my PC looks like this:
AMD Athlon 2,2Ghz x 2 cores, so 4,4Ghz
4GB Ram
Winfast 7800 GTX gpu
74GB Velicoraptor for boot drive
2x500GB WD HDDs
What is it good for in terms of CS6 Premiere? Is it cabaple of standard SD, and proxy editing, or not?
Many thanks....
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Thanks for the advice Jeff, and with your generosity of time to post. I think I can comfortably use the 3930k as I guess I don't render that much - Typically edit native and render 'final drafts' for approval.
Frustrating bug about the 690 - I wasn't aware of this at all... I should probably rethink this!
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Honestly, the only reason I would buy a workstation from HP, Dell, or any other company/integrator is for support purposes. It's not that hard to build a system from scratch that will match pre-built workstation performance, I've done it year after year. The biggest difference will be support - if something goes wrong, HP will diagnose and ship the part quickly, a custom system will require you to either trust the person / company that built it to do that in a timely manner, or you'll have to get up to speed on how to do that yourself. I have no idea what kind of problems you would face getting parts in your country, so this may not be an option.
Problem with iMac is they are AMD graphics based. Until Apple puts in Nvidia cards, or Adobe comes up with OpenCL support, iMac doesn't support hardware Mercury acceleration which is entirely CUDA based.
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Problem with iMac is they are AMD graphics based. Until Apple puts in Nvidia cards, or Adobe comes up with OpenCL support, iMac doesn't support hardware Mercury acceleration which is entirely CUDA based.
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Your current system specs are well below what is recommended for CS6. But you could put together a system for @ $2500 (in US market...) that would be very fast, and probably stay current for at least a couple of years.
My recommendations at that price range would be
Asus P9X79 WS motherboard @ $450
i7 3930 CPU - @ $650 w. liquid cooling
24 GB DDR3 ram - @ $150
Nvidia GTX 680 - @ $500
You'll need to add chassis, power supply (min 750w imho) and whatever other peripherals you want, but that core should get you some pretty good speed. You can also fairly easily overclock this CPU to 4 Ghz or near that with sufficient stability.
Again, no idea what costs for these components are in your country, but that's what they cost here in the US.
My recommendations at that price range would be
Asus P9X79 WS motherboard @ $450
i7 3930 CPU - @ $650 w. liquid cooling
24 GB DDR3 ram - @ $150
Nvidia GTX 680 - @ $500
You'll need to add chassis, power supply (min 750w imho) and whatever other peripherals you want, but that core should get you some pretty good speed. You can also fairly easily overclock this CPU to 4 Ghz or near that with sufficient stability.
Again, no idea what costs for these components are in your country, but that's what they cost here in the US.
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Hi,
Thanks for the specs! The prices are slightly higher here....
Last night I checked some sites, and came up with this solution:
Intel Core i7 3770s, 3.1Ghz, 4 core
Intel Motherboard !?!?
Gigabyte GTX680, 2048MB DDR5
Kingston DDR3 1600Mhz, 16GB RAM
Intel 120GB SSD, 320 series (FOR BOOT)
WD 1TB 7200rpm 64MB, black
Cooler Master Silent Pro 850W
Samsung SN-506BB Blu-ray writer
Chieftec CRD-601-U3, memory card reader
That's approximately 1900-2000 USD in my country. + This way I could use my exsiting case.....
WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS CONFIG?
And, should I build it myself, or is it better to configurate a machine with these specs from HP, Dell , or Lenovo ?
Is it advised to buy a desktop config from HP, Dell, Lenovo, are they any good? Or only their workstations worth the money?
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I could use my two WD 500GB HDDs I have currently, plus maybe the 74GB WD 10000rpm raptor too....
QUESTION: Should I get an SSD for BOOT drive, or a WD 10000rpm Raptor is good enough too? Just the OS, and the programs would be on it...
I could use my two WD 500GB HDDs I have currently, plus maybe the 74GB WD 10000rpm raptor too....
QUESTION: Should I get an SSD for BOOT drive, or a WD 10000rpm Raptor is good enough too? Just the OS, and the programs would be on it...
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What about these systems? I could get them in different configurations:
LENOVO M92, tower design
http://shop.lenovo.com/nlind/nl/en/desktops/thinkcentre/m-series/features
Or some PC (not workstation!!) from the likes of Dell (Vostro, XPS), or HP, or FUJITSU...
And once again: Wouldn't it be easier to get a laptop? Would that be too limiting in speed?
What do you think about FUJITSU? It seems that maybe that's the easier to get in my country...
So... Basically I have 4 opportunities:
1, Rebuild my old PC
2, Buy a complete PC from the likes of HP, Lenovo or Dell, or Fujitsu configured to my needs.
3, Buy a WORKSTATION from the likes of HP, Lenovo or Dell, or Fujitsu configured to my needs.
4, Buy a powerful laptop like an HP Elitebook, or Lenovo W530 or a Macbook Pro.
LENOVO M92, tower design
http://shop.lenovo.com/nlind/nl/en/desktops/thinkcentre/m-series/features
Or some PC (not workstation!!) from the likes of Dell (Vostro, XPS), or HP, or FUJITSU...
And once again: Wouldn't it be easier to get a laptop? Would that be too limiting in speed?
What do you think about FUJITSU? It seems that maybe that's the easier to get in my country...
So... Basically I have 4 opportunities:
1, Rebuild my old PC
2, Buy a complete PC from the likes of HP, Lenovo or Dell, or Fujitsu configured to my needs.
3, Buy a WORKSTATION from the likes of HP, Lenovo or Dell, or Fujitsu configured to my needs.
4, Buy a powerful laptop like an HP Elitebook, or Lenovo W530 or a Macbook Pro.
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Do anyone use a HP 8770w mobile workstation for Adobe CS6?
How powerful is the K3000M Quadro card?
Is it a good idea to buy a mobile workstation if I would mainly edit at home at my desk? Could a HP 8770w with Quadro K3000M plus a 21" monitor substitute for a desktop computer (for video editing of course)?
How powerful is the K3000M Quadro card?
Is it a good idea to buy a mobile workstation if I would mainly edit at home at my desk? Could a HP 8770w with Quadro K3000M plus a 21" monitor substitute for a desktop computer (for video editing of course)?
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