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Just a quick note to say that Abel is happy to rent glass and anything else in our inventory to anybody.

But it is the prerogative of any rental house to choose who they will or will not rent to. They are not forced to do business with you as long as it does not violate a discriminatory statute (i.e., you're black or Jewish or Asian or whatever so we won't rent to you). If the rental house only has so much inventory to go around then if they are willing to rent out, say, all their block batteries to you, what are they supposed to do for themselves? It is a legitimate business concern.
 
Stephen Webb said:
The reason I believe that the original communication came from the States is cause us English people can spell :tongue: (i.e. "Offence" rather than the American version "Offense").
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Yes but the quote was "sackable offense" which made me think the opposite, because people are "sacked" in the UK but they are "fired" in the US, right?
 
I'm going to have to cry BS on this one or at least it's relegated to one office. It would be just silly of them.

Besides- who cares anyways. You're all set with a nice set of ARRI Ultraprimes or Cookes which you can find everywhere. If Panavision wants to deal themselves out of the RED game that's their prerogative. But still I highly doubt this is company-wide official policy. Show it to me in writing...

Noah
 
Well, let's all just forget for a minute that Soderbergh used Panavision C series anamorphics with RED. I know of a couple others that have rented and used the same. I got a price quote a few weeks back for renting C series anamorphics for a proposal I was putting together. I told the rep I talked to that the lenses would be used on RED and he was very intrigued, friendly, asked me questions about the camera, etc..

Not attacking Stephen, but if there is such an incident going on with Panavision UK, it sounds like a sackable offense of a different nature.

I'm also with jbeale on the origin, if this communication really does in fact exist. In the US, nobody gets "sacked". And I've met plenty of English people that couldn't out-spell my cat. Offence / Offense is likable to Colour / Color.
 
Well, if it's a local thing then it's Europe not just the UK - the call I made earlier was to Panavision's European HQ.

Could be right on the "sackable" "fired" thing, hadn't thought of that.
 
jbeale said:
Yes but the quote was "sackable offense" which made me think the opposite, because people are "sacked" in the UK but they are "fired" in the US, right?
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That would make more sense. I was actually just skimming through the post to make sure nobody mentioned this.

I was going to call bullshit on the grounds that they used "sackable" in the memo since it's non-HR verbage and sounded too casual to be official.
 
Panavision Policy

Panavision Policy

Im currently travelling and this post has been brought to my attention so please be advised of the following:

All Red users


Panavision's policy, as expressed to its worldwide staff, is to rent equipment to customers as available (and on acceptable commercial terms) regardless of its intended use. In fact, Panavision owned lenses have been used on Che, Harry Potter ride footage, and a number of other Red One projects including a number of UK commercials. Despite the fact that users have posted repeatedly on reduser that they have rented equipment from us without problem, this story continues to pop up and I wish to clarify our position.

Jarred, we would deeply appreciate it if you would post this as a sticky in the hopes of settling this once and for all.

Yours sincerely

Jeff Allen
Managing Director
Panavision Europe Ltd
 
Jeff,

Seriously - I spoke to a member of your hire team at your Greenford office and she told me categorically that they were not allowed to rent to anyone shooting on Red.

We start a short film tomorrow in Edinburgh with Robbie Ryan as DP and we couldn't source anything from Panavision Glasgow because they told us the same thing. In the end we got lenses shipped up from Arri Media who gave us a great deal, but it was a shame a company who pretty much have a monopoly locally were not willing to help us.

If you're now saying that this policy is a mistake or misunderstood or miscommunicated then great - please give me a call 'cause we're now talking to a company in Newcastle just to try to source lighting! It would be great if Panavision could help us out instead.

Cheers.
 
Stephen Webb said:
Seriously - I spoke to a member of your hire team at your Greenford office and she told me categorically that they were not allowed to rent to anyone shooting on Red.
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I have been told the exact same thing from the Panavision in my city and have had to source equipment from PS and Clairmont. Panavision is the only high end rental house in my city so I have had to fly the equipment in from the other rental houses mentioned. If your policy has changed and Panavision is now renting to red projects please private message me because I would like to get this sorted out as well.

The "Panavision will not rent to red projects" policy has forced me to buy a lot more equipment then I had planned. In the end if Panavision does open the doors and allows me to rent from them I will need a lot less gear then if this policy had never existed.
 
Jeff4444 said:
Im currently travelling and this post has been brought to my attention so please be advised of the following:

All Red users


Panavision's policy, as expressed to its worldwide staff, is to rent equipment to customers as available (and on acceptable commercial terms) regardless of its intended use. In fact, Panavision owned lenses have been used on Che, Harry Potter ride footage, and a number of other Red One projects including a number of UK commercials. Despite the fact that users have posted repeatedly on reduser that they have rented equipment from us without problem, this story continues to pop up and I wish to clarify our position.

Jarred, we would deeply appreciate it if you would post this as a sticky in the hopes of settling this once and for all.

Yours sincerely

Jeff Allen
Managing Director
Panavision Europe Ltd
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Yeah as I suspected it's a couple of nutty local rental managers going rogue. A company-wide policy of this sort from Panavision is utterly ridiculous and I never believed it for a second. Sounds like it's time for Jeff to clean a little house with his dealers.

Noah
 
Stephen - say Hi to Robbie for me - Great guy - lousy DP - (kidding! He's a stunning DP and Camera Operator - Red Road was absolutely beautiful)

(PS - say thanks to him for the shout from warp films - much appreciated).
 
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Stephen
Speak to Mick Walsh at Greenford Im out of the UK until Monday next week. Give Robbie Ryan our best he is known to us and in particular Dean Oram in Manchester.
 
Jeff4444 said:
Panavision's policy, as expressed to its worldwide staff, is to rent equipment to customers as available (and on acceptable commercial terms) regardless of its intended use.
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This is great news, as this policy has not been our experience (despite my business partners having long relationships with Panavision.)
 
Jeff4444 said:
Stephen
Speak to Mick Walsh at Greenford Im out of the UK until Monday next week. Give Robbie Ryan our best he is known to us and in particular Dean Oram in Manchester.
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No worries, we're all sorted (finally!)

And thanks for clarifying this issue Jeff, if I have any problems in future I can use the "but Jeff Allen says..." line :wink:
 
Panavision Rental Policy

Panavision Rental Policy

Panavision Canada has the policy not to rent lenses and accessories to Red Projects. This is a hard and fast rule. Other Panavision offices may entertained the idea of renting lenses and accessories, but the Red directly impacts the Genesis Camera system; therefore, it has never been in Panavision's best interest to "aid" competing camera systems.

This policy strangely incorporates the Panasonic HVX200 as well.

If there is any doubt please contact Panavision Canada and asked to rent Zeiss Super Speeds for a Red project. Unless Policy has changed over night, the answer will be "No".

PANAVISION VANCOUVER
PHONE: 1-604-291-7262

PANAVISION TORONTO
PHONE: 1-416-444-7000
 
... and yet I discussed this with a couple of people from Panavision not five minutes ago who said that this was all preposterous and OF COURSE they will rent to whomever for whatever. And these were people high in authority -- those that really know.

The issue can perhaps be limited resources of gear (I'm speculating here). If they have 10 sets of glass and eight are already spoken for with the possibility of the other two going right out, then they'll tell you "no" because they need to have enough for their own gear. Maybe that's it.
 
I think we need confirmation from the President of Panavision, Bob Beitcher (Woodland Hills) on what Panavision's policy is or is not on sub rentals on Red Projects.

To have the Marketing Department in one Panavision office allow rentals while another office denies a request for glass and accessories for Red Project is confusing and counter productive.

If there is a policy, the policy is not uniform throughout Panavision Land.

I believe everyone has had unique experiences while trying to rent lenses or accessories for Red Projects - some positive and others negative.

Cheers
 
Trust me when I tell you that what Jeff Allen posted made its way through the hallways of Woodland Hills before arriving on reduser. Official Panavision policy has been posted. If you have any difficulty at a given Panavision office, I suggest you refer them to this policy statement.
 
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