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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

How Much Storage Space Do I Need?

10 mins at 4K 2:1 25fps is about 16GB. So 144GB for 90 mins, if you shoot 10:1 you're going to fill a 2TB drive easily. Most productions will shoot over 10:1, although if you're super-conservative you'll be under.

I would suggest buying 500GB drives (best $/GB at the moment) in bulk and using generic Oxford based enclosures. Buying a prebuilt 2TB (really 2x1TB) unit is asking for trouble, really. Mainly because to use all 2TB you need to be in RAID 0 - i.e. "scary RAID".
 
what about FW400 vs FW800. I'm assuming I'll be editing off these drives. How are you guys doing it?
 
awesome RAID

awesome RAID

Burly 8 Bay Rack Mount w/Port Multiplier 6TB MGBurly8RPM-6T $2687.00

set up as RAID 5 with RocketRAID 2314 - $200

For less than $3k you will have RAID 5 redundancy and speed over 2 little cables with hot swap and plenty of storage. It has worked great for me so far.

Highly recommended, and super fast. I have an 8 core mac but there's no reason this or something very similar shouldn't work on a windows machine.

FW400/800 USB2? No, You really don't want to be going through anything else but SATA at this price point. Look at the Burly boxes and find one that fits your budget, you'll be happy you did.
 
Thanks Lotar1.

So does that mean I can copy the footage and make a redundant copy simultaneously? If so, is one of those things enough for two copies of an entire 90 min movie? (assuming I shoot at a 10:1 shooting ratio)
 
it's not completely redundant, but if one drive does go down, you're still covered. look up RAID 0, 1, 5, 50 definitions on the web and you'll get it.
 
Phil Maker said:
Thanks Lotar1.

So does that mean I can copy the footage and make a redundant copy simultaneously? If so, is one of those things enough for two copies of an entire 90 min movie? (assuming I shoot at a 10:1 shooting ratio)
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In theory you can do 2 copies via R3DDatamanager simultaneously, but haven't tested it yet.
We have a license here, just did not use it yet.
You can't with a usual operating system, the system handles it as 2 tasks and either puts it in a row or if at the same time jumps between the drives and it takes even more than double the time.
 
Brandon said:
what about FW400 vs FW800. I'm assuming I'll be editing off these drives. How are you guys doing it?
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If you are on a Raid with more performance (this includes scary raid,-) you'll profit from FW800 (my little scary LaCie disc with 2 striped drives in it) does about 80-90-MB/s, pretty quick.
For a single drive it is not that much of a performance boost, if any at all.
Current drives max out 40MB/sec. and FW400 theoretical and nearly practical maximum is at 50MB/sec.
Bottleneck will probably be the drive, excluding cache-reads which could go higher.
 
You will regret using Western Digital. I have had 5-7 of them fail on me. Most any other brand seem to be more stable.
 
I have 14 Western Digital Drives now for 2 years...using them massively and so far no problems. I've had 1 Maxtor Drive go on me (I think now owned by Seagate). My Lacie drive I once had a humming and sent it back to the manufacturer and even know a few weeks out of warranty they fixed it, but it's scary if you don't back up...I paid $4,000 for data recovery and I should have paid $10K, but got a deal! It was a RAID 0 (4 drives)!

Anyway, as I've said no problem with external Western Digital drives...and they are absolutely super quiet which I love.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Hey Phil, I can actually beat Justin's RAID-5 system on price and amount of storage (have been researching it for over a year.) The only problem is I am not sure if you are using a desktop or laptop--and my system relies on a desktop.

Try this:

HighPoint RocketRAID 2322Controller---------------newegg---$234.99
HighPoint Mini-SAS to eSATA cable------------------OWC------$63.5
750GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 SATA II zipzoomfly--5---$713.32
Enhance EnhanceBOX E8 Series Provantage------------------$556.61

So for $1568.42 I can get a RAID-5 system, that pre raid is 3.7TB, and will hold up to 6 TB. Plus, if I want to expand it, all I have to do is add another case and I can have another 6 TB thanks to the fanning breakout cable.

Matthew
 
rmott said:
You will regret using Western Digital. I have had 5-7 of them fail on me. Most any other brand seem to be more stable.
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Statistics of small numbers - you got the bad ones. Google's published study of hard drive stability (they use more than pretty much anyone) showed operating temperature was the primary factor of failure, more than brand, more than capacity, and to a degree more than simply age.
 
Hey Macville - have you been using this set-up? is it tested and reliable?
 
Hello Macville,

Interesting. I see that you are using it for desktop, but is there any way to connected it to a laptop? Do you know of any adaptor miniSAS to firewire 800? Or MiniSAs to eSata and then eSata to firewire 800? :blink:
 
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