How are we going to record 4K in terms of (v) X (h) pixel count?

[Jim Arthurs]

With Cineform, their "RAW" is constructed from source RGB data -- be it HDV, DVCPROHD, etc.. It's not "RAW" in the same way.

Actually, I think CINEFORM RAW is the original Bayer data from the SI camera, not an RGB construct...

From the link I gave;

"Recognizing the importance of new activities in digital cinematography, CineForm has developed new patent-pending technology called CineForm RAW™ to support in-camera coding of Bayer data directly, plus the necessary real-time workflow to enhance Bayer images throughout post-production. These developments allow the “developing” of the Bayer images to be delayed until much later in post-production, ensuring both highest visual quality and most creative flexibility."

And...

"Our digital negative is at the bottom layer, and the de-bayer plus color matrix layer is above. When performing simple playback of a Bayer image, we can apply the de-Bayer and color processing algorithms directly to the CineForm RAW digital negative during the decoding process, much as a “layer” is applied in Photoshop. Using this technique we haven’t actually changed the digital negative source file on disk. Further, we can delay the flattening of the layers (developing of the image) until later in post-production as part of the overall creative decision process, giving the operator freedom to manipulate de-bayer and color matrix filters at any time during post-production."

Perhaps moot in light of on-going Apple reveals, but I wanted to clear this up. CineForm RAW is Bayer data lightly compressed, ala REDCODE RAW and can be used as such in Premiere without rendering until the end.

 

[jbeale]

It seems that RED "raw" has the same meaning as RAW mode digital stills from DSLRs which incorporate just the native sensor Bayer pattern. If Cineform is working from RGB data I don't understand why they would call it "RAW" at all. EDITops, didn't read Jim A.'s post above.

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Perhaps moot in light of on-going Apple reveals, but I wanted to clear this up. CineForm RAW is Bayer data lightly compressed, ala REDCODE RAW and can be used as such in Premiere without rendering until the end.

Well that sums it up... I was just going off what has been said thus far by Graeme and the others. Hopefully they will have some huge tricks up their sleeves for tomorrow. The Apple event complete with RED connection was a nice unexpected surprise. Interesting how "REDCODE" is in the FCP6 codec list and not REDCODE RAW or REDCODE RGB. Perhaps the RED team has got it covered and we have nothing to fear.

Anyway, I'm off to do something constructive today, like clean my office. It's a friggin' stye in here.

 

[Andrew M.]

Thanks! Guys. It looks better and better.

BTW any 4K monitor coming out?