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How about "Alexa" module?

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How about "Alexa" module, finally?

Sorry it sounds like a joke but could be(come) a very serious additional thing at the end of the game to upcoming Epic and Scarlet.

That means Apple ProRes 1080p 4444 and 1080p 422 recorder module for both Epic and Scarlet

that could be also available with a certain type of adopter for our older and beloved R1 MX.

For recording it could be used any of existing CF, RED Drive, RED RAM or any of new announced media...

Just to kick some of the asses here...

It could be officially named Apple ProRes recording module but for the inner circles would remain as an "Alexa" module..

And terribly sorry about this (joke) idea again (code named "Alexa" module)...

Also RED can't make all those modules that have sometime a crazy idea but should probably allow to the third parties to make it.

AJA, BM or Matrox, any bother for sure would jump in that game immediately.

And then suddenly a famous Alexa's ProRes advantage workflow game over!
 
Isn't a ProRes proxy module in development already?

What would be interesting is a RGB or YUV codec file at 4K. You basically get editable 4K video straight off the camera. Cineform 4K proxy module is a possibility, or perhaps RED code develop their own codec.
 
Subhadip Sen said:
Isn't a ProRes proxy module in development already?

What would be interesting is a RGB or YUV codec file at 4K. You basically get editable 4K video straight off the camera. Cineform 4K proxy module is a possibility, or perhaps RED code develop their own codec.
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It could be even two variants.

One that exactly what Alexa does with ProRes in HD resolution that also could be jokey called "Alexa" module.

Another variant could be 4K ProRes 4444 named "Pole Position" like in a raceway.
 
Subhadip Sen said:
Isn't a ProRes proxy module in development already?

What would be interesting is a RGB or YUV codec file at 4K. You basically get editable 4K video straight off the camera. Cineform 4K proxy module is a possibility, or perhaps RED code develop their own codec.
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I don't believe RED has (yet?) indicated anything of the sort. H.264, yes but the only "noise" about ProRes has come from conjecture from the masses on this forum.
 
Jannard said:
RED is increasing the workflow flexibility on Epic and Scarlet with Proxy Modules… the first of which is an H.264 Module.
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The original announcement certainly seems to insinuate that there will be more modules coming and that the H.264 Module is only the beginning.

But I haven't seen any solid official mention of a ProRes module under development.

Maybe we could hear about it here? Eh? :beer:
 
A CINEFORM module would be just as good as a ProRes IMHO....
 
Terry VerHaar said:
I don't believe RED has (yet?) indicated anything of the sort. H.264, yes but the only "noise" about ProRes has come from conjecture from the masses on this forum.
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Ted has told me that this is in the works.

David
 
Cineform will work with Avid, FCP (Realtime), Premiere (Realtime), and Vegas. Has AMAZING 3D support, and can run at any resolution up to 4K either in RAW or 4:4:4.

And yes, I agree, we will not see a RED Cineform module... Ever...

That's too bad.

Jay
 
It could be good to learn a bit from iPhone/iPod Apple's experience with third party hardware and software developers.

To make open doors for many third party hardware and software developers to enhance Epic/Scarlet modularity even further.

Then maybe we would get Cineform, Avid, CUDA, etc,... or whatever latest hardware and software technology is applicable to those two unique designs of digital cinema cameras.
 
The idea of third-party modules is an interesting one. Perhaps there's a process that could be put in place to offset the costs/provide some financial incentive for Red/protect Red from having others stepping on modules that they already are making...

1. A third-party vendor signs an NDA with Red, and submits a proposal, paying a small fee (to cover the time it takes from Red staff to review these submissions).
2. If accepted, the vendor pays an up-front licensing fee in exchange for the interface details (to cover the cost of Red engineers inevitably having to provide some support to the external development team).
3. Once development of the third-party module is complete, the third-party vendor submits the module to Red for certification and pays a testing fee (to cover the cost of the quality assurance / certification).
4. Potentially there is some per-unit fee (as Apple does for iPod accessories) to Red so that they have financial incentive to open the ecosystem up to third-party modules (and to help cover the inevitable support costs from issues that crop up using third-party modules in the field).

I'm betting Red has already put some thought into this... I can certainly see reasons for them NOT to do it, but it also might be a good thing to happen. It will be interesting to see what the future holds!

- Tim
 
Sanjin Jukic said:
It could be good to learn a bit from iPhone/iPod Apple's experience with third party hardware and software developers.

To make open doors to many third party hardware and software developers to enhance Epic/Scarlet modularity even further.

Then maybe we would get Cineform, Avid, CUDA, etc,... or whatever h/s is applicable to those unique designed digital cinema cameras.
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Wow, it is rare these days to see Apple cited as an example of a very open platform. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge Apple fan, since 1984 (and a long time stockholder), but I am always amused at how Steve Jobs gets skewered for his "protectionism" of the Apple hardware platform. I guess my point is that Apple does embrace third party developers but also does exert a huge amount of control over them. Which, IMO, is a good thing for maintaining consistent quality in the final product. :undecided:
 
Terry VerHaar said:
Wow, it is rare these days to see Apple cited as an example of a very open platform. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge Apple fan, since 1984 (and a long time stockholder), but I am always amused at how Steve Jobs gets skewered for his "protectionism" of the Apple hardware platform. I guess my point is that Apple does embrace third party developers but also does exert a huge amount of control over them. Which, IMO, is a good thing for maintaining consistent quality in the final product. :undecided:
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Yes, but developers who have delivered quality and been bitch slapped for it by Apple do have a thing or two to say about Steve Jobs control over the third party market (and their position is just as justified as Steve Jobs and the argumentation for both is, well, endless >.>).
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
Cineform will work with Avid, FCP (Realtime), Premiere (Realtime), and Vegas. Has AMAZING 3D support, and can run at any resolution up to 4K either in RAW or 4:4:4.

And yes, I agree, we will not see a RED Cineform module... Ever...

That's too bad.

Jay
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Why would this be the case?
 
no third parties...if there is one with low quality....lets say "cheaper" prores module by company x and it fails...the rant will be about red.
 
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