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Help going from 10.9.3 to 10.9.2

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I want to downgrade again. I didn't use Time Machine, so have no backup.

When I hold ALT when restarting I can click on the 10.9.2 recovery boot thing. The nMac Pro came with that version luckliy.

But when I continue with the process, OSX is downloading components... lots of them. 3 hours of download.

I called a Mac store here, and they said, that OSX will always try to get the latest version... which is 10.9.3, which I don't want.

So I stopped the fresh install process, as this would leave me with the same version.

So how do I go back to 10.9.2? Or is my Mac store wrong, and the downloads are other components?


(As I said, computer originally came with 10.9.2, and this is whay I see on the Recovery icon on bootup)
 
Apple no longer maintains ways to access prior point releases for the OS, you must have a backup or other way to get it.

The Recovery Partition on your Mac only maintains the basics for recovery, not a full OS X installation volume, so you're out of luck there. It is labeled as 10.9.2, just because that is the version of the OS that created it, but there's no copy of 10.9.2 there. Initiating the process from there only downloads 10.9.3 as you have already discovered.

If you can find someone with a copy of 10.9.2, they could probably help you out. Technically that's against the TOS, however you're entitled to it since that is what your system shipped with.

If you do find a copy of it, you can create a bootable external drive or partition that can install a fresh copy of OSX. You will not be able to roll back and install 10.9.2 over the top of 10.9.3. You must do a fresh install onto a bare drive or partition.

Seeing that this is a requirement to roll back anyway, you should give the fresh install approach a try with 10.9.3. I'm having great luck on my two iMacs with 10.9.3 after doing a fresh install and not just an update. OTOH, I'm not running Resolve on these systems, which seems to be the biggest stickler with 10.9.3 at the moment. Premiere is working alright if you have CUDA installed, even on the nMP where the GPUs are AMD. This is a bug in Premiere where they were using a couple deprecated OpenCL functions that have been trimmed from OpenCL in 10.9.3. When the calls fail, the software falls back to CUDA instead of failing gracefully. If CUDA is present, it will error out as no nVidia hardware available and fail gracefully. Rather sad, but this one is on Adobe to fix. Adobe's Premiere development team hasn't been reading the OpenCL spec updates or the Apple Developer doc updates it seems.

With CUDA in place on the nMP and a clean install of 10.9.3 (or 10.9.4 beta as I have now), I'm finding Adobe CC (in particular the 2014 update) to be as stable as it was under 10.9.2. And by that I don't mean it's great by any means, nor perfect, I would classify it as "occasionally flakey."

Adobe needs to do a lot of fixing under the hood here.

Pretty much everything else is running better under 10.9.3 vs. 10.9.2 on the fresh install here for us. I do keep hearing complaints about DropBox with 10.9.3, but I'm not using it so...
 
Jeff - My MacVidCard GTX 680 4G has been messed up by 10.9.3 and my second display has gone dark. I have searched a bit but been unable to find a solution. Any recommendations besides going back to 10.9.2?

Thanks.
 
Terry,
I used to have the same issue with the upgrade to 10.9.2 On one of my MPs just a fresh install helped. I simply changed the system drive for a clean one and installed everything from the ground up. Other machines were busy with a jobs so I just pulled back to 10.9.1 with a drive swap. (I keep a backup as a spare bootable drive for instant recovery) No problems since 10.9.3 came out on all of the MPs and MBPs! So try fresh install, just out of the curiosity...
 
I don't wan you to compound your issues, but I know that certain 10.9.3 issues have already been addressed in 10.9.4 betas. Over on the Blackmagic Forums, some people have installed the 10.9.4 beta to solve Resolve crash issues. I'm not sure of the stability of the rest of the release, so I would backup, and investigate HEAVILY first. It would be simpler than trying to roll back to 10.9.2.
 
i am running the 10.9.4 beta and all 10.9.3 issues seem to be resolved....this is on the nmp....in general i would say that the latest system upgrades are usually a no brainer....i think in this case (and especially with the nmp, adobe, blackmagic, cuda and gpu support in general) things got a little messy....i am trying 10.10 and (other then some obvious issues and missing features) it looks like a step up from 10.9....
either way: the latest versions of resolve, fcpx, adobe,...incl the latest red sdk, will probably require the latest os....so going back is probably not really the solution....
just my opinion....
 
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Yeah, I tried 10.9.4, but had same issues with Premiere not loading clips (grayed out), and after that, crashing everytime I tried to close the program down. Like the Mercury Engine didn't initialize.

No realtime playback of 5K Epic files at Full either. Even small stuttering at 1/2 debayering.

So...I´m going for the fresh install, see how things work out.
 
Seems to be a bit more stable. Can open project, which before didn't work.

Playback (Epic 5K at Full) is less stuttery, but still not smooth at all, as others are reporting.

There's definently a difference from before, but this could be due to numerous other things, which where installed on the first installation.

I´m glad I "refreshed" my OSX installation, and got some things sorted.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Apple no longer maintains ways to access prior point releases for the OS, you must have a backup or other way to get it.
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If you start with an empty drive, you can download OSX 10.9.2 for free here:

http://support.apple.com/kb/dl1725

and then restore your applications to that fresh drive, and port over your data files from a backup. As careful as I am about this stuff, I recently ran afoul of the dreaded "auto update" problem, which is under System Prefs -> App Store -> "Automatically Check for Updates" and "Install App Updates."

Those are deadly if you're running certain persnickety mission-critical apps that don't play well with 10.9.3. In my case, I was able to reformat my drive, reinstall 10.9.2, and get all my apps up and running in a few hours. I cursed the entire time at the top of my lungs, and it was an annoying experience, but you survive and move on.

I think it always pays to be one software version behind when it comes to operating systems. Don't go out on a highwire and install the new OS just because it's there. Wait until you can verify from the developers, the manufacturers, and other users that there are no gotchas involved.
 
Oh, there it is... Thanks for the link, Marc. I couldn't get any of the past versions to come up when I was looking and I thought they had been taken away.

FWIW, 10.9.4 is much better in its latest form launched yesterday. 10.9.3 was a complete goof as it wasn't ready for release and then to further make a mess of things, Apple released a version that differed from the previous two beta seeds that developers had access to. The 10.9.3 release is probably the worst Apple OS release ever. Actually that may not be the case, 10.6 was pretty awful too. Even for the few developers who do keep in step with Apple beta seeds, they had no chance in addressing issues with the 10.9.3 that was shipped out to the public. :-/
 
Has anyone manage to replace the hard-drive in the new Macs?

That was the fun part with the older Mac Pro's.

I had a few versions of my workstation saved as different drives.
 
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