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HDRx in 3K mode?

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This chart will answer all your questions. HDRx is there across the board but it can only muster up 25 fps at 3K. That is now, anyway. In the future there should be a firmware upgrade with modified compression that will enable 24/25 fps HDRx at 4K.
 
It seems like the basic strategy for motion with the Scarlet-X will be to shoot at 4k whenever you do not need slow motion or HDRx and then drop down to 3k whenever you need to use one of those things. That should be more than fine as long as you're going out to 2k. The Scarlet-X really seems like a 2k output A-camera/4k output B-camera (for coverage where HDRx and slow motion are not needed) that can also shoot stills on the same level as Epic.

I suppose for work where you are totally confident that you will not make use of slow motion or HDRx it works fine as a 4k-output A-camera as well. You could also opt to use it as the workhorse A-camera on a project that goes out to 4k, but rent an Epic for the few days where you need slow motion or HDRx for certain shots.

Am I misunderstanding anything?
 
It might be debayered at 3.2K, but I'm sure it will still look gorgeous projected at 4K.
 
I thought I read a post where Jarred said they're working towards having 24/25fps HDRx at lower data rates (or higher compression ratio) in a future Scarlet firmware. Honestly, I don't think you'll be able to tell much of a difference when going between "low data rate 4k" and "high data rate 4k (of epic)" when you finish to 1080p (blu-ray or whatever.) At least, it wouldn't be as noticeable as the +6 stops of highlight protection via HDRx.
 
Nick Wernham said:
It seems like the basic strategy for motion with the Scarlet-X will be to shoot at 4k whenever you do not need slow motion or HDRx and then drop down to 3k whenever you need to use one of those things. That should be more than fine as long as you're going out to 2k. The Scarlet-X really seems like a 2k output A-camera/4k output B-camera (for coverage where HDRx and slow motion are not needed) that can also shoot stills on the same level as Epic.

I suppose for work where you are totally confident that you will not make use of slow motion or HDRx it works fine as a 4k-output A-camera as well. You could also opt to use it as the workhorse A-camera on a project that goes out to 4k, but rent an Epic for the few days where you need slow motion or HDRx for certain shots.

Am I misunderstanding anything?
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Not at all sir. Very clear thinking IMHO.
 
Nick Wernham said:
It seems like the basic strategy for motion with the Scarlet-X will be to shoot at 4k whenever you do not need slow motion or HDRx and then drop down to 3k whenever you need to use one of those things. That should be more than fine as long as you're going out to 2k. The Scarlet-X really seems like a 2k output A-camera/4k output B-camera (for coverage where HDRx and slow motion are not needed) that can also shoot stills on the same level as Epic.

I suppose for work where you are totally confident that you will not make use of slow motion or HDRx it works fine as a 4k-output A-camera as well. You could also opt to use it as the workhorse A-camera on a project that goes out to 4k, but rent an Epic for the few days where you need slow motion or HDRx for certain shots.

Am I misunderstanding anything?
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+1

As I see it, since I'm delivering to 1920x1080, and I only have a 24-70 mm Canon zoom lens....: 4K for wide shots, 24 fps and no HDRx. Use 3K and 2K, for slow motion, HDRx and tighter shots. It should all look the same at 1920x1080....
 
One thing to note is that Jarred said on ScarletUser that they are looking into the possibility of recording 4k HDRx @ 24p with higher compression. So we might yet see 48p 4k.
 
What do you think if we would use Scarle-X like an s16mm cam / 2/3 inch @ 3k and using only S16 lenses?

Wonder if the quality obtained could be close to S16? Epic's 5k is like Imax quality as some say, Scarlets in 3k 2/3inch could give us what we asked for!

This perspective makes me happy again ;-)

Any comments?

Pat
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
One thing to note is that Jarred said on ScarletUser that they are looking into the possibility of recording 4k HDRx @ 24p with higher compression. So we might yet see 48p 4k.
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I think this would honestly take the Scarlet from an incredible, unprecedented value on some pretty revolutionary equipment to a borderline "must buy" piece of kit for professionals with the necessary funds.
 
Brian Iannone said:
Why is that?
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I think he meant because the dynamic range of the sensor will probably be pretty impressive leaving HDRx as a feature not many would use. Although if that is the case, then HDRx will be so impresisve with the Dragon sensor. Although not going to lie, I don't think Dragon will be so impressive that it will make us question whether or not we need HDRx.
 
Subhadip Sen said:
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This chart will answer all your questions. HDRx is there across the board but it can only muster up 25 fps at 3K. That is now, anyway. In the future there should be a firmware upgrade with modified compression that will enable 24/25 fps HDRx at 4K.
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Actually it says "Max HDRx", so if they really mean max then there is 24fps at 3K with HDRx.
 
Louis Maddalena said:
I think he meant because the dynamic range of the sensor will probably be pretty impressive leaving HDRx as a feature not many would use. Although if that is the case, then HDRx will be so impresisve with the Dragon sensor. Although not going to lie, I don't think Dragon will be so impressive that it will make us question whether or not we need HDRx.
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I see.
 
On the products page of RED's website, it shows the Scarlet-X being able to record full 4K at 30FPS.

REDCODE™ 16-bit RAW Processing : Compression choices of 18:1 to 3:1
1-12 fps 5K FF
1-30 fps 4K HD
1-48 fps 3K HD
1-60 fps 1080p HD
1-120 fps 1K
 
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