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Has 480P (SD) been eliminated from REDCINE output options?

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I hope not, because most of my projects will continue to be delivered direct to DVD at SD resolutions for some time, and I'd like the option to edit in SD on those occasions. I know that 480 was supported in the earlier specs, but with the update to the RED website, it appears to have been dropped from the delivery formats section:

http://www.red.com/cameras/tech_specs

Can anyone clarify?
 
Do you really need to edit in SD? For example I use a HDV camera (1080i) for event video and I only edit in the 1080i format, I don't edit SD at all. I only downconvert when generating the final MPEG2 for DVD. I find that gives me better quality. I could also edit in uncompressed 4:2:2 SD but that would actually take more disk space than 1440x1080i in Cineform format, to say nothing of the original HDV.
 
jbeale said:
Do you really need to edit in SD? For example I use a HDV camera (1080i) for event video and I only edit in the 1080i format, I don't edit SD at all. I only downconvert when generating the final MPEG2 for DVD. I find that gives me better quality. I could also edit in uncompressed 4:2:2 SD but that would actually take more disk space than 1440x1080i in Cineform format, to say nothing of the original HDV.
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Since I've never edited in HD period, I can't be positive that I need to. But I'm certain I would get much smoother performance and better frame rates in 3 camera edits (which I do a lot of) when viewing 1/4 scaled output of all 3 cams simultaneously. Not to mention I will still be trying to edit SD camera footage together with RED footage for final SD output, which I'm rather certain would look better if it didn't have to be upconverted once for edit and then downconverted again upon export.
 
Don't panic Eclaire, you are looking at the CAMERA output.. Not REDCine. I have no doubt you will be able to output 480p.

It's equally important to me for a number of reasons.

Jay
 
You could ouput to 392p if you feel like it.

And if you're offlining already I think 480p is the best because the SD workflow is bulletproof at this point. No suprises. I have no interest in editing HDV.
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
Don't panic Eclaire, you are looking at the CAMERA output.. Not REDCine. I have no doubt you will be able to output 480p.

It's equally important to me for a number of reasons.

Jay
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Actually, I'm not, Jay, as I've always been keen to the distinction. Check the link I posted. It's not under the "format options" sublink (which would indicate camera recording format) but on the "tech specs" page linked to the "cameras" page, listed under "delivery formats". The asteriks that appears next to this word then has a footnote which states "delivery formats provided by REDCINE application software".

I wonder about it because I remember Jim saying something like "480P . . . what is that?" once when talking about delivery formats. Obviously I laughed at the joke, but this camera is being bought and used for such high level production that I can't help but wonder if they just decided more recently that no one really wanted or needed SD output from REDCINE and eliminated it from the spec. I hope it's just a mistaken omission from the spec, but I want to be certain.
 
jbeale said:
Do you really need to edit in SD? For example I use a HDV camera (1080i) for event video and I only edit in the 1080i format, I don't edit SD at all. I only downconvert when generating the final MPEG2 for DVD. I find that gives me better quality. I could also edit in uncompressed 4:2:2 SD but that would actually take more disk space than 1440x1080i in Cineform format, to say nothing of the original HDV.
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First of all - yes, REDCINE can output SD files.

Also - most major motion pictures are still edited in NTSC. Sorry to break it to you, but the vast majority of big, +US$50million features are edited at standard definition.

It's still *very* important.

Lucas Wilson
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ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA
 
I can barely fit widescreen SD into two monitors and have room for a timeline on my 23" screen. HDV just means I'll be scaling and getting nasty resize artifacts in my monitors.

long live sd!
 
luki said:
First of all - yes, REDCINE can output SD files.

Also - most major motion pictures are still edited in NTSC. Sorry to break it to you, but the vast majority of big, +US$50million features are edited at standard definition.

It's still *very* important.

Lucas Wilson
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ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA
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Thanks for writing me back Lucas!!
Jay
 
im.thatoneguy said:
I can barely fit widescreen SD into two monitors and have room for a timeline on my 23" screen. HDV just means I'll be scaling and getting nasty resize artifacts in my monitors.

long live sd!
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you are that oneguy...
 
First of all - yes, REDCINE can output SD files.
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What if you need 3:2 pulldown? (They need that don't they? Otherwise you cannot ingest the SD footage via SD-SDI.)

2- The workflows used in high-end productions don't necessarily make sense for everyone.
For example for TV series, when you do offline / online editing (done by separate facilities/editors which specialize in their respective fields), you spend time in online conforming everything. Everything has to be (re-)digitized uncompressed ($$$), the picture has to be slipped into sync (tedious), and you have to manually re-create effects.

If you're a one-person army, the conform process is kind of inefficient. Native editing is nice (why transcode?). Though FCP is not that strong a system for online if you need more complicated stuff.
 
GlennChan said:
What if you need 3:2 pulldown? (They need that don't they? Otherwise you cannot ingest the SD footage via SD-SDI.)
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Sure you can! Avid has had the option for years of digitizing 1-to-1 frames from tape and then Avid does the pulldown on playback. That is how film transfers were done for a long time. REDCINE does not have any 3:2 capability.

GlennChan said:
2- The workflows used in high-end productions don't necessarily make sense for everyone.
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I completely agree. I was just making the point that there are still an awful lot of people editing at SD resolutions, and it is still very important and very valid.

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA
 
Sure you can! Avid has had the option for years of digitizing 1-to-1 frames from tape and then Avid does the pulldown on playback. That is how film transfers were done for a long time. REDCINE does not have any 3:2 capability.
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Ah, neat.
 
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