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Had to stop and take stock for a second.

Timur Civan

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I'm 29.

With all the news going on this week, price drops, red ray, and the F55 I had to stop And i said aloud , "God, I'm spoiled".

I thought to myself for a second, I remember back on DVXuser.com, the day the big red banner came up. It was 2005.

Now for the younger generation, just to give you a bit of context, 35mm Film was king. The nearest digital competitor was the Dalsa Origin, and f900. I'm not sure if the genesis was out yet, but even if it were, who cares. They were unobtainable.

The only thing we had was the dvx100, the hvx200 was just starting to hit the street, and the Sony z1 was available. 1/3" ISO 250 cameras. The only way we got a film look was the good old Barry Green (raise your hand if you know who that is) special. Zoom all the way in and back the camera as far back as possible. Or, a god awful steampunkesque 35mm adapter, that while genius, was basically rubbing sticks together. A 1000' canister of film was about $750-1000, plus developing and scanning, around another $1,5000 per ten minutes of footage. The f900 and Varicam were both around $100,000, plus lenses, viewfinder, battery and the goddamn motherf#%€£¥g deck to just ingest the tapes. All in all about $200,000 dollars. Just keep that in mind. That was pro video gear. One camera was 720p, the other 1080i.

That day. The day of the red banner. It said "4k 4:4:4 60fps, wtf?" (As close as memory serves me)

Here are the jarred/jannard posts from that day, and the following weeks:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/archive/index.php/t-40925.html

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/archive/index.php/t-40929.html

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/archive/index.php/t-42602.html

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/archive/index.php/t-43006.html


All of the posts can be viewed here:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/archive/index.php/f-58.html


Kind of amazing how close to the mark they came, and how far past initial expectations they reached.

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Timur Civan said:
The only thing we had was the dvx100, the hvx200 was just starting to hit the street
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Remeber this UNCOMPRESSED 10bit 4:4:4 HD directly from the DVX's CCD Sensor with 9.5 Stops of dynamic range;

andromedaq.jpg
 
The andromeda!!!!!!!! I totally forgot about that! Uncompressed linear...... Damn that thing took pretty pictures.
 
Timur Civan said:
I'm 29.

With all the news going on this week, price drops, red ray, and the F55 I had to stop And i said aloud , "God, I'm spoiled".

I thought to myself for a second, I remember back on DVXuser.com, the day the big red banner came up. It was 2005.

Now for the younger generation, just to give you a bit of context, 35mm Film was king. The nearest digital competitor was the Dalsa Origin, and f900. I'm not sure if the genesis was out yet, but even if it were, who cares. They were unobtainable.

The only thing we had was the dvx100, the hvx200 was just starting to hit the street, and the Sony z1 was available. 1/3" ISO 250 cameras. The only way we got a film look was the good old Barry Green (raise your hand if you know who that is) special. Zoom all the way in and back the camera as far back as possible. Or, a god awful steampunkesque 35mm adapter, that while genius, was basically rubbing sticks together. A 1000' canister of film was about $750-1000, plus developing and scanning, around another $1,5000 per ten minutes of footage. The f900 and Varicam were both around $100,000, plus lenses, viewfinder, battery and the goddamn motherf#%€£¥g deck to just ingest the tapes. All in all about $200,000 dollars. Just keep that in mind. That was pro video gear. One camera was 720p, the other 1080i.

That day. The day of the red banner. It said "4k 4:4:4 60fps, wtf?" (As close as memory serves me)

Here are the jarred/jannard posts from that day, and the following weeks:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/archive/index.php/t-40925.html

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/archive/index.php/t-40929.html

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/archive/index.php/t-42602.html

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/archive/index.php/t-43006.html


All of the posts can be viewed here:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/archive/index.php/f-58.html


Kind of amazing how close to the mark they came, and how far past initial expectations they reached.

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Thats a great read Timur. It was great to read how 'on board' and accurate some predictions were (Jarred and Gibby) even before Jim had worked out all the details himself.
And now the upgraded version of that camera is for sale for $4100. Wow!
 
They should make a movie about the origins of RED and it's early days. I remember reading another thread here in which Jim and Jarred would cut the vinyl RED buzzsaw stickers all night by hand to pass the time in between new prototypes being made.
 
Yes I remember those days. I got the HVX as soon as it came out, but the images were not as good as the reviews said. Then owning and testing a series of 35mm DOF adaptors that involved clumsy long rails and soft images! :( So much effort involved for mediocre results!! So when the Red camera was announced it seemed out of this world! :)

Then finally the delight of operating on the Red One soon after it was released. What a joy! Finally it was possible for an someone like myself to shoot beautiful footage, with an image quality, that I could finally be proud of!

It was a revolution!
 
The world changed and we are lucky to live in these times, Timur. I started trying to achieve the "film look" with a Sony TVR 900E back in 1998 :) . Here we are. 4K for 4K. Unbelievable! :)
 
Comon' Fellas If you're always battling against getting older, you're always going to be unhappy, because it's going to happen anyhow (lol)
 
Back than when I was reading about 4K camera + own codec + own lenses, I was like ... WTF WTF?!?!

:shocked: :eek6: :emote_22_yikes:
 
I still use my DVXuser keychain that I received back 2003 for winning one of the first Dvx film fests. 24pN mode on the dvx100 changed my life. I got so much work from the dvx100 and Hvx200, and even Af100. My props go to Panasonic and Red for giving me a career.
 
Kwan Khan said:
Remeber this UNCOMPRESSED 10bit 4:4:4 HD directly from the DVX's CCD Sensor with 9.5 Stops of dynamic range;

andromedaq.jpg
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what ever happened to the andromeda, did the inventor get bought out? I seem to remember this being the case.
 
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