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Guessing game...

I have a felling it's simple they probably added S35 and they are keeping the cost under $7k.... That alone would be Pimp =)
 
I was totally jazzed about the specs of the prototype that was shown off earlier this year, and would still be totally jazzed to own the production version of that camera. I'd rather not see the resolution skyrocket if the sensor remains 2/3, as performance in available light is important to me, and I fear the low-light performance of a 4K, 2/3-inch sensor. Actually, it's not just fear; I'm terrified of it! Similarly, I would rather not see framerate traded for changes to the sensor. 120fps shooting, even if limited to 2K on a 3K sensor, would still be a major source of attraction for me.

But, we shall see. I get that there's a resolution war raging out there, but to jam additional resolution into an already small sensor is the stuff of gimmicky spec wars between makers of consumer HD camcorders, not pro gear. It's the reason why consumers who haven't owned an interlaced display device in years are still buying cameras that shoot in 1080i (because 1080 is bigger than 720, and bigger is always better, right?). I pray for a well-balanced product that's minimally entangled in such number games.

aaron
 
I think the fixed lens Scarlet will stay substantially the same as we have seen it, 3k 2/3" etc. But who knows what they may do with the interchangeable lens version? Scarlet and Epic were originally planned as camera lines. Epic-S if it is still coming would be a 5k resolution camera. Whose to say that Red won't produce a 4k Scarlet camera on the smaller R1 sized sensor format? They should after 4 years or more of development time and much shared common technology among the new models be able to mass produce an S35 class 4k camera brain for under $10K with similar specs to R1MX plus a few new features like HDRx.
2/3" fixed would still fill a big hole in the market IMO. Nobody else is making an under $10k highly efficient run and gun camera with anything bigger than 1/2" imagers and long GOP video codecs.
 
I am super excited that Scarlett is coming soon! Personally I hope they don't do the 2/3 sensor and instead go for S35 and 4k. I think it would be the best way for Red to go, since 4k is becoming the standard, along with large sensors. 2/3 would attract videographers, but would leave out a lot of narrative filmmakers. Canon will more than likely come out with a 4k/S35mm camera so if the Scarlet is to remain competitive, it should at least match that. The area where I believe Red will continue to outperform the new competition is in RAW recording. It gives you greater dynamic range necessary for motion pictures. So if Scarlet is a sub $10k, 4k resolution, S35mm sensor, it will demolish everyone else at least for a year and a half.
 
No one on the Red team has ever made mention, hinted at, or alluded to in any way whatsoever, any plans to change the 2/3" sensor to an S35 sensor. Scrapping the fixed for a removable zoom is a much more likely scenario.
 
Well I hope you're wrong. We shall see...

On the other hand I wonder... If it is a 2/3 interchangeable, we could use a 35mm adapter to give it shallow DOF, but how much resolution degradation would you have if you used an adapter?
 
My first post please be kind....You know that does make allot of sense never thought about that , I hope this is true..I could use my own Glass..
Carey Lee Coffey said:
No one on the Red team has ever made mention, hinted at, or alluded to in any way whatsoever, any plans to change the 2/3" sensor to an S35 sensor. Scrapping the fixed for a removable zoom is a much more likely scenario.
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Wouldn't it be cool if it went back 3k for 3k! That alone would sell Like hotcakes!!!!!!!!!!
 
Bart Allen said:
Wouldn't it be cool if it went back 3k for 3k! That alone would sell Like hotcakes!!!!!!!!!!
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No I dont like to se them droping of features.

I wish they give it ssd reader original so we can get that in a package!
 
No you misunderstood, I mean't no features lost,and it's 3k fr 3k with all features.... here is dreaming LOL
Joel Arvidsson said:
No I dont like to se them droping of features.

I wish they give it ssd reader original so we can get that in a package!
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Tuff crowd! Im happy with the last specs and I would be shocked if red changed it to a 35 size like some suggest.
Its a head to head to the big dog so im itching to know what red have up theire sleves! Cant wait to se a shoot on scarlet section
On reduser!
 
Bart Allen said:
Wouldn't it be cool if it went back 3k for 3k! That alone would sell Like hotcakes!!!!!!!!!!
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It would be cool, but they won't - that's a concept that was left behind so long ago... if anything - recent statements from Jim would suggest they're a 4K company now. But Jim, is well... tricky to read - which makes this so much fun, doesn't it :)

Also - this is a real names forum, could you please sign your posts with your real name?
 
Believe it or not that is my real name, hence the avatar! You know there are ppl out in the world that are named Bartholomew and Allen is a common last name, my parent's are very religious and me my sister and brother also have bible names, Bartholomew Was one of the 12 deciples of Jesus so don't be fooled, just because someones avatar represent who they relate with doesn't mean they have a fake name! should I fax over birth certificate to u!?!? I'm clearing the air now in-case anyone else thinks I have a bull crap name....
Pascal Scheffers said:
It would be cool, but they won't - that's a concept that was left behind so long ago... if anything - recent statements from Jim would suggest they're a 4K company now. But Jim, is well... tricky to read - which makes this so much fun, doesn't it :)

Also - this is a real names forum, could you please sign your posts with your real name?
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So much speculation, and so much fun to read it. Although Jim has said things the market and compenent supply has changed drastically since they were said. We have to rely on the one thing that has been proven consistently over the years of waiting - Jim's good taste. Whatever we are offerred will be the best available given the conditions of the suppy chain at that moment. I may or may not still be able to afford it, but I am sure that it will redefine the market for the announced price point. That seems to be the clear message Jim sent when he announced that he would compete hed to head with the Canon introduction. I do docs and my interim camera has been an Canon XF and that was a fine camera for my purposes, so if he is going against Canon I am confident that Scarlet will be in another league. Canon is famous for incremental advances, and my favorite of Jim's many statements is to expect surprises.
 
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Wow. From reading the last 60 posts, it looks like the majority of you guys have already been shooting RAW motion pictures at very high resolution. For this reason, you may be spoiled so much that a Scarlet in itself is not attractive and only an EPIC-X will do!

If that is the case, why are you wanting it to be an S35 chip?

What I think may be the true situation is that you have but heard about the Scarlet for so long, y'all act as if you have owned one and you are ready to "step up".

I think too many of y'all's expectations are severely swelled up.

Tell me. What is RED committed to? RAW and High Resolution. Yes.

Scarlet (the one I shot with) had a resolution of 3K. That is still high Resolution. It's no "5K", I know. But it's no $30,000 ($43,000 for the EPIC-X) for the "Brain only"

Scarlet also has high frame rates. Scarlet is much smaller/lighter than te EPIC. Scarlet has RAW. Scarlet has a high Dynamic Range. Scarlet has HDRx which takes that high native DR to even the next level.

What has RED shown that it is not committed to? Large sensors in and of themselves. Besides, what is wrong with a 2/3" chip? There are many shoots in which a 2/3" camera would be better suited for the job.

Ok, Jim said that if Scarlet disappoints, he will retire. I think you have to put that a little bit into context. For some people, the EPIC still somehow "disappoints" them. That doesn't mean that RED failed to defeat all odds by bringing a camera so small, so powerful, so affordable to the market. That doesn't mean it "disappoints" when a few are disappointed.

Without calling people names or hurting their feelings, I think some of you might need to wake up to reality and see where RED differentiates themselves from Canon. If you aren't happy with those differences, feel free to choose something else other than RED.
 
Ur soo right Bro! The reality is this will probably for most of us the first real pro camera we have ever used, we should be happy no matter what it is. I really couldn't ask for more than2/3" and the dynamic range is soo bad ass on this camera! We should be happy that Jim even made this camera for us, Scarlet will not disappoint + who says u need s35 to tell a good story =)
Joseph Hutson said:
Wow. From reading the last 60 posts, it looks like the majority of you guys have already been shooting RAW motion pictures at very high resolution. For this reason, you may be spoiled so much that a Scarlet in itself is not attractive and only an EPIC-X will do!

If that is the case, why are you wanting it to be an S35 chip?

What I think may be the true situation is that you have but heard about the Scarlet for so long, y'all act as if you have owned one and you are ready to "step up".

I think too many of y'all's expectations are severely swelled up.

Tell me. What is RED committed to? RAW and High Resolution. Yes.

Scarlet (the one I shot with) had a resolution of 3K. That is still high Resolution. It's no "5K", I know. But it's no $30,000 ($43,000 for the EPIC-X) for the "Brain only"

Scarlet also has high frame rates. Scarlet is much smaller/lighter than te EPIC. Scarlet has RAW. Scarlet has a high Dynamic Range. Scarlet has HDRx which takes that high native DR to even the next level.

What has RED shown that it is not committed to? Large sensors in and of themselves. Besides, what is wrong with a 2/3" chip? There are many shoots in which a 2/3" camera would be better suited for the job.

Ok, Jim said that if Scarlet disappoints, he will retire. I think you have to put that a little bit into context. For some people, the EPIC still somehow "disappoints" them. That doesn't mean that RED failed to defeat all odds by bringing a camera so small, so powerful, so affordable to the market. That doesn't mean it "disappoints" when a few are disappointed.

Without calling people names or hurting their feelings, I think some of you might need to wake up to reality and see where RED differentiates themselves from Canon. If you aren't happy with those differences, feel free to choose something else other than RED.
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Joseph Hutson said:
...Ok, Jim said that if Scarlet disappoints, he will retire. I think you have to put that a little bit into context. For some people, the EPIC still somehow "disappoints" them. That doesn't mean that RED failed to defeat all odds by bringing a camera so small, so powerful, so affordable to the market. That doesn't mean it "disappoints" when a few are disappointed...
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Think some people brought up 4K because they are guessing Epic-S morphed back into a scarlet body.

As for disappointment...on Nov.3..comparison will be Scarlet vs. Canon announcement and Red seem
very confident in posts about that match up so don't think many will be dissapointed at all. Seems like
half the movies with articles in American Cinematographer don't even get a theatrical release these days
so 3k is way more than enough.
 
Joseph Hutson said:
Wow. From reading the last 60 posts, it looks like the majority of you guys have already been shooting RAW motion pictures at very high resolution. For this reason, you may be spoiled so much that a Scarlet in itself is not attractive and only an EPIC-X will do!

If that is the case, why are you wanting it to be an S35 chip?

What I think may be the true situation is that you have but heard about the Scarlet for so long, y'all act as if you have owned one and you are ready to "step up".

I think too many of y'all's expectations are severely swelled up.

Tell me. What is RED committed to? RAW and High Resolution. Yes.

Scarlet (the one I shot with) had a resolution of 3K. That is still high Resolution. It's no "5K", I know. But it's no $30,000 ($43,000 for the EPIC-X) for the "Brain only"

Scarlet also has high frame rates. Scarlet is much smaller/lighter than te EPIC. Scarlet has RAW. Scarlet has a high Dynamic Range. Scarlet has HDRx which takes that high native DR to even the next level.

What has RED shown that it is not committed to? Large sensors in and of themselves. Besides, what is wrong with a 2/3" chip? There are many shoots in which a 2/3" camera would be better suited for the job.

Ok, Jim said that if Scarlet disappoints, he will retire. I think you have to put that a little bit into context. For some people, the EPIC still somehow "disappoints" them. That doesn't mean that RED failed to defeat all odds by bringing a camera so small, so powerful, so affordable to the market. That doesn't mean it "disappoints" when a few are disappointed.

Without calling people names or hurting their feelings, I think some of you might need to wake up to reality and see where RED differentiates themselves from Canon. If you aren't happy with those differences, feel free to choose something else other than RED.
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With the small form factor, 2/3", 3K and RAW is more than fine for me - not that a larger sensor and 4K wouldn't be awesome! If anything, I'd personally like to have the ability to have more shallow DOF on the/a fixed lens. If the fixed turns out to be off the table and is replaced with a "body only" version, then I would have no (small)issue.
 
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