Guess what shot is what camera...

[Björn Benckert]

Just spliced these clips together, same iso, colortemp setting etc and similar f stop then processed with the same colour profiling.

So every second shot in this reel is Raptor, the rest is a mix of Komodo and Alexa S35.

To make it easier, the S35 and Komodo was using Optimos and Leica SummiluxC´s, while the Raptor was used with rehoused FD´s.

 

[Les Hillis]

Dude, don't make me pixel-peep...

Too late, already did. Shot-counting, frame-stepping.

Saw a Vantage lens on a slider, a couple of zoom shots, one probably on that same slider. Some lens edge-softness that could have been from an FD lens shot on a Raptor. Minimal and absent rolling-shutter artifacts. S35 and VV differences. Still some colour differences there, handheld and crane choices could also be a giveaway...

But yeah, no-one would really notice the difference between the cameras.

The clues helped, but others would have better insights into the particular camera's and lenses 'tells', so I'm not going to actually try and guess which was what, it looks to me like the whole thing could have been shot on just one of those cameras, even the Komodo (if the last shot with all the light and shade wasn't too much for it).

Amazing image-quality from all of them.

That 'Syndicate Creature Reel' you've also got up on Vimeo is an impressive collection of high-quality work too btw, congrats on that.

 

[Les Hillis]

And just to add, I think it's a good reminder that at a certain point, money and resources are better spent on things like locations and extras and lighting/grip (and sound and catering and post and...) than on the most expensive camera you can rent or buy.

 

[andrewhake]

And just to add, I think it's a good reminder that at a certain point, money and resources are better spent on things like locations and extras and lighting/grip (and sound and catering and post and...) than on the most expensive camera you can rent or buy.

100%. The people using and what is in front of the camera is infinitely more important. Always blows my mind when people talk about slight color variations from camera to camera and act like that is going to massively impact their work and creativity.

 

[Andrew Reese]

Komodo has a magenta tint. Very easy to spot. Raptor vs. Alexa not as easy.

 

[Björn Benckert]

Dude, don't make me pixel-peep...

Too late, already did. Shot-counting, frame-stepping.

Saw a Vantage lens on a slider, a couple of zoom shots, one probably on that same slider. Some lens edge-softness that could have been from an FD lens shot on a Raptor. Minimal and absent rolling-shutter artifacts. S35 and VV differences. Still some colour differences there, handheld and crane choices could also be a giveaway...

But yeah, no-one would really notice the difference between the cameras.

The clues helped, but others would have better insights into the particular camera's and lenses 'tells', so I'm not going to actually try and guess which was what, it looks to me like the whole thing could have been shot on just one of those cameras, even the Komodo (if the last shot with all the light and shade wasn't too much for it).

Amazing image-quality from all of them.

That 'Syndicate Creature Reel' you've also got up on Vimeo is an impressive collection of high-quality work too btw, congrats on that.

The leicas and the optimos where rented from vantage.

And yes can only agree, Komodo works strangly well next to the s35 I have been doing the post for this project during the last two months and when having all the material in linear space / same color space and balanced I very much had to check the take names to keep track of what was shot with what camera and then komodo was actually used only for the more light challenging shots… Another clue right there

 

[Les Hillis]

Actually went to the Vantage website to identify that lens, wondering what was going on, didn't see it and figured they might have rented out other stuff with their name on it as well.

Interesting to hear the Komodo was capable of handling the more challenging shots in that scenario.

It doesn't look like anything needed to be degraded or messed with too much to make the different cameras and lenses work together visually.

Makes me wonder how the Komodo-X might have narrowed the gap even further.

Not saying there aren't still specific camera/lens combinations that would be preferred or required for capturing some kinds of content, but yeah, just goes to show what can be done.

Thanks for the insights.

 

[sander kamp]

I assume the more light challenging shots means the strobes and not low light.

But super interesting. I do think the development that has meant the most for image quality the past years has been lights and not cameras. To the point that if you're in a controlled environment your budget is better spent on lights instead of cameras. It's telling that many of the shots on the Alexa 35 website are of sets like landscapes and cityscapes.

 

[Björn Benckert]

Last clues. Raptor is the first and then, third, fifth take and so on. in between those you got raptor for the still camera flash takes and s35 for the remaining takes.

Basically the DP used komodo to get nice camera flashes without exposure tearing in the frame which is something you can see on the raptor flashing takes, not to disturbing as raptor has a super quick redraw but its there.

And finishing for 2k, raptor looks super clean then the difference between komodo and s35 is well pretty much none. But all 3 could be edited together and you would need a pretty darn big screen and sit way up close to spot the noise differences if exposing for 1500iso or such.

 

[Björn Benckert]

I assume the more light challenging shots means the strobes and not low light.

But super interesting. I do think the development that has meant the most for image quality the past years has been lights and not cameras. To the point that if you're in a controlled environment your budget is better spent on lights instead of cameras. It's telling that many of the shots on the Alexa 35 website are of sets like landscapes and cityscapes.

There is a lot of improvements to cameras as well, I was quite surprised how much better my raptor is compared to my monstro, thought they would be the about the same but different max frame rates. but raptor has way cleaner image in terms of glare and color smear its simply a different beast in that regard and yes cleaner blacks.