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Group purchase of Arri Matteboxes

Good suggestion Jeff.

Jay,

So for $3400 we get the items I've circled below (with pretty picture) and need to buy any other accessories, correct?

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Cheers,
Dave
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
It does not include the bellows Adaptor. Everything else is spot on.
Jay
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Jay,

Are you sure about the Belows Adaptor? That is listed as part of the Arri MB20-II SET - part number K0.60030.0 in the Arri Configuration Overview, which includes everything listed plus the 138mm belows adapter. I would expect Arri to package those items as the "basic" mattebox. You need the belows adapter to attach any 138mm R2 series ring. Please see my other posting...

Thanks!
 
Mark Pedersen said:
Jay,

Are you sure about the Belows Adaptor? That is listed as part of the Arri MB20-II SET - part number K0.60030.0 in the Arri Configuration Overview, which includes everything listed plus the 138mm belows adapter. I would expect Arri to package those items as the "basic" mattebox. You need the belows adapter to attach any 138mm R2 series ring. Please see my other posting...

Thanks!
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I will certainly check!

Jay
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Crap.

Jay, if it really starts looking like the deal may fall apart, would it be possible for ARRI to consider a delay in offering the deal? I guess what I'm thinking is that a lot of potential customers probably won't be ready for such a purchase until their camera is closer to shipping. We saw it with Steve Tammi's O'Connor group buy and I've seen some of the same comments here -- even made them myself... "my camera won't ship for a few months, do we have to buy now?" or similar. Perhaps this is what ARRI wants though... They don't want to sell too many at the discount price, or any... Just thought I would throw that out there, even though it probably won't happen.
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Jeff I don't think there will be any way to win here. Either the deal will come to early for some, or too late for others. I don't think there is a solution to this problem. One thing is for sure.. We need a vendor.. I will get one locked down A.S.A.P.


Jay
 
david farland said:
Good suggestion Jeff.

Jay,

So for $3400 we get the items I've circled below (with pretty picture) and need to buy any other accessories, correct?

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Cheers,
Dave
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Ummm.. No David, I said the 15mm or 19mm adaptor.. You circled a couple other items as well.. And I am told the follow focus is NOT $3,400.00.. It's a bit less
Jay
 
So Jay can you just recoup: what's the price for both the FF-4 and the MB20II?
 
And please give us the complete list of items included in the deal (all "K2.xxx" part numbers). Thanks.
 
david farland said:
That's the power of the internet......sweet hey!

To date it hasn't been Jay's job to have ever seen the parts.

It's his job to get the best price and terms on a part that has already been scrutinised and recommended on this forum, used as the benchmark for other's design, accepted by industry professionals on this forum and others as the brand of choice and quite frankly has got very little bad press expect for cost. I would expect given the amount of exposure and comment the Arri MB & FF products has got, the real thing to focus on is cost. Sure Jay going goo goo over the item in his hand will sway people but that ain't his day job and this scrutiny has been covered else where. And as a corollory you must be surprised that people would buy a MB or FF without being familiar with it also.

So Kinosaur when you say you were surprised that Kay may not be personally familiar with the kit, was that the kind of surprise you get when you order a new car and it comes with a naked girl in the back or was it more like the surprise when you saw the back doors didn't have handles.

Cheers,
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Am I surprised that people would buy a matte box or FF without being familiar with it? I don't actually believe anyone would do that! unless they were very confident of the company's returns policy. As to the car analogy, maybe it was the kind of surprise you get when the car seems to be bigger than I thought...but perhaps a bit better built. Why do you ask ?
In all seriousness, the advice and information that can be got from this forum could be very useful but IMHO only a fool would act on any of it without doing a bit of their own research, particularly if a lot of money is involved.
 
Mark Pedersen said:
Jay,

Are you sure about the Belows Adaptor? That is listed as part of the Arri MB20-II SET - part number K0.60030.0 in the Arri Configuration Overview, which includes everything listed plus the 138mm belows adapter. I would expect Arri to package those items as the "basic" mattebox. You need the belows adapter to attach any 138mm R2 series ring. Please see my other posting...

Thanks!
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Unless you're going to use the clamp-on adapter (K2.65030) you'll need the Back 138mm bellows adapter (K2.65028) for ANY R2, R3, R4, R5 filter or reductions rings. This is all rings except the Clamp-On Adapter rings.

So yes, the Bellows adapter it is a mandatory requirement that will need to be purchased one way or another. I'm sure Jay's on it.

Dave,
 
Guys here's what needs to happen..

I need to get out of some of this.. I do not mean I won't handle/lead/ support this group buy.. But we need someone in here who can answer these questions correctly. I am going to see to this FIRST THING MONDAY! I promise.. Then part numbers, prices, etc etc will be there for you from someone who can really answer them.

I will get on this A.S.A.P. so you can get some answers

Jay
 
Until I DO get a vendor.. Check out the attached.. Here is what comes with the basic package.
Note: the parts list both the TWO stage and THREE stage filter setup.. The THREE stage basic package costs about $270 more.

My last price on this these items was $3,436.59. That MIGHT change a little bit. We'll see
 
Ok.. So I am doing some work tonight..
Here are the items included for free with this offer. As for what they are worth, you guys can price that on your own if you wish.. Prices:
19 or 15mm Adaptor: $301.16
138mm Filter ring: $285.12
Top Flag: $213.84

Jay
 
David I edited my earlier posts to reflect the prices.
So you can get into the mattebox for $3,456.39 and Get $800 of gear as well.. Not bad.

Of course you may want to get a few more things on your own, side flag, filter trays, but each person will have their own needs.

Jay
 
You're going well. What's the discount on the other bits you'll need?
Dave,
 
That's where it gets tricky. There's a LOT of bits. Not all of them are mandatory. Side flags? Need 'em? I would say yes, but some people's budgets may say "later". Filter holders? Lot's of sizes there.

We need people to call the vendor so they can ask each person "What kind of lenses are you putting on" "What kind of filters you expecting to use? How many at one time" etc. etc.

What I have priced are the basics which get you started. But for the details people will need to speak to our REP which I intend to have soon, and part of the deal will be that they MUST get on this forum and answer questions.

I know there will be a discount on other items, but would expect it to be similar to the discout they'd give you if you called on your own. It's those free items that make the deal special

Jay
 
Jay,

Thanks for clearing up the question re: the belows adapter. And thanks again for all the work you're putting into this!

Count me in on the order, and I look forward to getting the Rep's contact so I can detail out my order.

Cheers,

M
 
I've made a decision :biggrin:

I've made a decision :biggrin:

Hi guys,

I'd like to take some time to write some thoughts. To start with I'd like to say that me to was a little surprised that Jay didn't know what we were ordering, but then it made sense. I don't think that you should see it as the surprise means that it's his "job" to know. It was more in the way of, that he's the channel to what we're ordering and since it's quite expensive equipment I think we assumed that he would know. Now in retrospect I understand this forums slightly chaotic discussions, with us wondering what we could order or not.
This leads me to what I want to say. I'm one of the guys that wanted to buy slightly different gear. I for example wanted an MB16 mattebox, since this is what I've been using already and I've been very unsure about the MB20. In Europe we've been using the 4:3 format optioned filters - 4*4 and the MB16 fits well with that. The 4*5.65 is commonly known as the Panavision format and hasn't been that widely used in Europe.
Looking at it from a different perspective is that shooting 4:3 is useless with us shooting 16:9 all the time and with RED included it makes no sense in shooting with the 4*4 filters anymore. Since we will be shooting with a "commercial frame" sensor it's really not clever to keep the 4*4 format.
That's most probably why ARRI recommends the MB20 and that's why I realized it will also be more suitable for the RED. As for the MB 14 (6*6 filters). I've already got one from somewhere else. I know that I will be shooting with optics that will find this matte box necessary. If you're new to all this I highly doubt you will be needing the MB14 at this very moment and therefor will be more than fine with the MB20, but for me that one is not enough.
As for follow focus there is no other one than the FF4, unless you have to, for some reason, go lightweight.
So I'd like to say that my decision is to go for the MB20 since it's clearly the right matte box for RED.
As for all of you who still are not sure because of price I'd like to say. If your only to do EFP work with the RED or will only use Canon, Nikon or B4 lenses on it, DON'T GET THE MB20!. It is to heavy for that. I know that Jay has written a thread were he's talking about that. If you on the other hand are considering to use it instead of a 16 or 35mm camera, then you should get it. If you're to use it with true Cine lenses as Cooke and Zeiss, get it. There's a huge difference between this matte box and any other cheaper on the market.

As for Jay's hard work I'd like to say thank you and sorry for all the confusion but I think it comes from us thinking you knew the gear.

Anyway, great that we soon will be able to complete our RED camera gear.

Thanks Jay
 
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