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Group purchase of Arri Matteboxes

Guys the prices on the items will be as good or better than what you are seeing. Filmtools is one of the vendors we are looking at. We are also looking at Abelcine. I will have pricing from them which I will post or send privately once I have it. But rememeber I AM NOT A VENDOR.

No matter what you buy from them in terms of your FF-4 package, ARRI will be giving you the 19mm or 15mm adaptor FREE. So we'll get the best price from Filmtools or Abel and then we'll get the adaptor free also.

So the way to approach this is: Expect the best possible price from Filmtools, or Abelcine, and then get the free stuff as well.

So Mark, if those are the prices you have found for the FF-4.. It will be that much or a little cheaper if I have anything to say about it. The numbers I quoted were a reference only so you would have an IDEA of what we are doing. What I was involved in was getting Arri to enhance any deal by the vendors by also offering certain needed parts and accessories for FREE.. Thereby lowering everyone's bottom line.

Based on the POTENTIAL numbers we are pushing, NONE of you should be able to get a better quote from Filmtools or AbelCine than I can.. If you do, then send it to me, and I will bust some heads... Nicely of course! :)

Hope this clears things up

Jay

PS So far only two people have written to dreamwelder@yahoo.com to tell me what they are going or order. If I don't see 20 letters of intent by Nov 30th then I may have to drop this. I am NOT being a hard ass here, it's just that my company is SLAMMED with work and I don't have time two push this to the last minute. If you want to do this, it's best to let me know sooner rather than later.

until then, keep asking questions and if I have answers, I will write, or I will get the answers.

Watch.. Now some wise-ass is going to ask me for lottery numbers.

:bleh:
 
david farland said:
Few things.....

1. The quote above mentions a client travelling overseas (not buying from overseas) and doesn't say if the local rep will fix it under warranty free of charge. I assume the overseas Arri rep will fix free of charge.
Is this correct?

2. Eric doesn't mention the situation where he sells a Matte box to an overseas client and it breaks.
This is what all overseas buyers should think about!
Will the local Arri rep when the owner lives fix/replace/lend a spare under warranty.
Probably not!

So the deal looks like it's a grey warranty arrangement.

Next question....(see quote below)



Is Eric saying that he will ship the matte box free of charge back to Australia ($180) or Kazicstan ($340) or will he ship free of charge in US only?

Sorry for the detailed questions but think it important overseas customers know exactly what the arrangements are.

Cheers,

Dave
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David,

Lord knows we have been around and around about the warrenty situation.. So allow me to put this to rest once and for all.

I would personally recommend that any buyer in Aussie land NOT do this deal. You seem to have an ARRI dealer out there who is not wild about supporting ARRI products if they are not bought from him. This is against ARRI's policy, and I am sure that my typing this letter will make some waves in ARRI land, but perhaps that's a good thing.

As for the rest of you, I would suggest that if you are overseas, and worried about any type of support in terms of Warrenty that you have a chat with your local ARRI dealer and simply say "I have an MB-20II mattebox under warrenty and I may need some service, can you help me?" If he says "sure" (Which most of them do), you are fine! If he says "Well did you buy it from me?" ask him what difference that makes! If he gives you a hard time then give me his name and number and I will have Eric at ARRI call him. Or you can just back out of this deal.

ARRI is not made up of independant franchises.. It is ONE COMPANY with multiple dealers. They SHOULD all service ARRI products. But there are always a few jerks in every mix. Eric is saying, your local dealer should help you out, but if he doesn't, then I will help you out. They pay return shipping no matter where it is.. You pay for the shipping to ARRI.

This is as simple as I can make it.. Call it whatever you want, David calls it a Gray warrenty.. And for him, in his location, with his dealer, he's most likely right. But David's situation will not apply to all of you. Check it out for yourselves if you feel you need too.

A lot of you will not be within driving distance of an ARRI dealer anyway, so you will be able to send the equipment to a place that will service it.

Hope this helps!
David, let me know if this puts it to rest. I think it does.

Guys: David has been worried about the Warrenty situation since Day ONE.. You should all feel grateful he's looking out for everyone.

Jay

One more thing.. This deal is NOT being done with ARRI corporate in US.. You will be buying through a Vendor.. Most likely Filmtools or AbleCine.. It depends who wins the bid. So you should experience no Warrenty issues. Aussie is the exception, not the rule.
 
Jay,
Thanks for the explanation (and your patience).

On the following point,
Jay A. Kelley said:
.....They SHOULD all service ARRI products. But there are always a few jerks in every mix. Eric is saying, your local dealer should help you out, but if he doesn't, then I will help you out. They pay return shipping no matter where it is.. You pay for the shipping to ARRI.
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Question: Is Eric saying this is Arri policy....and therefore if a Matte box is bought outside the US and is predominately used within the US, then his local dealers will fix the MB under warranty free of charge (except for postage one way).

Obviously if he's right, and this is the usual Arri worldwide policy, then other countries like Australia should do the same.

thanks,
Dave,

ps: Arri (aust) will fix all Arri products regardless of we're they're purchased, they just may charge a fee if not covered by Arri warranty conditions. I sound like an Arri employee!
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
Guys the prices on the items will be as good or better than what you are seeing. Filmtools is one of the vendors we are looking at. We are also looking at Abelcine. I will have pricing from them which I will post or send privately once I have it. But rememeber I AM NOT A VENDOR.
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Jay,

This is good to know. I'm still sitting on the fence regarding the mattebox. However, I'm about ready to pull the trigger on committing to the FF-4. After looking into the FF-3 some more, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, unless I find a killer deal on a used one.

Edit> Request for lottery numbers deleted to avoid looking like a smart ass.
 
ARRI warranty is 1 year. I have worked with very old very abused arri gear and it is as bomb-proof as gear comes. I doubt anyone would have any problems what so ever with any arri equipment that is less then a year old.
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
Your questions are good ones:

The swing away is included in the quote I provided.
I think a third stage is about $300 more. That's all.
From what I am learning, I am not sure you need it.

1 stage is the ND
1 Stage is the grad
the round 138mm is the pola.
A third stage would be for a softening filter I suppose

Jay
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Thanks Jay,

Yes there will be times when you need it, believe me. Soft filter, additional ND grad or even color filter. It is nicer to do in camera and when we get used to the camera we will make LUTs in REDCine and download into camera and then spice it up with additional filters like chocolate. There's nothing that compares to have done your looks in camera. So I rather have the option than stand without it.

Cheers,

fred
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
Your questions are good ones:

The swing away is included in the quote I provided.
I think a third stage is about $300 more. That's all.
From what I am learning, I am not sure you need it.

1 stage is the ND
1 Stage is the grad
the round 138mm is the pola.
A third stage would be for a softening filter I suppose

Jay
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Jay,

Hopefully this might clear a few things up on what's included, etc. I looks like the MB that is being quoted is the "MB-20-System II, SET for Lightweight Support" that includes: The Basic Module, Swing Away Module, Console for lightweight Support, 2-filter stage, Back Bellows Adapter (138mm), top flag, side flags (pair of 2)"

It looks like this:

/Users/markpedersen/Documents/COMPANY/RED Camera/Arri Matte Box MB 20 II/cinemasupplies_1967_333073013.jpg

And they are throwing in:
• a 138mm filter ring (is that 100 or 114mm?)
• a 19mm adapter
• MB -20 II top flag (a bitchin looking flag btw)
• Light trap (which one? Any size?)

My understanding is the Red zooms have a 114mm front element diameter, and the 300mm prime is 117mm. So if you are going all Red lenses, you would need the 117mm large diameter light trap (k2.65069.0) and the 138mm to 114 filter ring. Although I think you can order a 114 mm light trap from the MB 20 configuration chart. If I have this wrong, somebody please chime in!

Filter stages and trays are a more personal matter it seems ;)

Anyway, Jay, I will send another PM with a spreadsheet listing what I want to order.

Thanks again for hustling on this.

M
 
Mark Pedersen said:
Jay,


And they are throwing in:
• a 138mm filter ring (is that 100 or 114mm?)
• a 19mm adapter
• MB -20 II top flag (a bitchin looking flag btw)
• Light trap (which one? Any size?)




M
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Mark they are not throwing in a light trap. But the other three are a lock! They are thowing those in.

Jay
 
david farland said:
Jay,
Thanks for the explanation (and your patience).

On the following point,


Question: Is Eric saying this is Arri policy....and therefore if a Matte box is bought outside the US and is predominately used within the US, then his local dealers will fix the MB under warranty free of charge (except for postage one way).

Obviously if he's right, and this is the usual Arri worldwide policy, then other countries like Australia should do the same.

thanks,
Dave,

ps: Arri (aust) will fix all Arri products regardless of we're they're purchased, they just may charge a fee if not covered by Arri warranty conditions. I sound like an Arri employee!
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David you are exactly correct. ARRI is ARRI.. If you have an ARRI product under warrenty, then it's under warrenty. WHERE you bought it should make no difference. This is part of the reason ARRI justifies charging what they do. Support Support Support.

Glad to hear that news about ARRI Aust.. This means it's no longer a Gray warrenty situation out there.. As is should be.

So David.. How long HAVE you been working for ARRI? :)
(Kidding)
 
Someone asked if the 2 stage can be upgraded with a 3 stage and still no answer. Is this possible and of course the money difference?
 
Abu Reno said:
Someone asked if the 2 stage can be upgraded with a 3 stage and still no answer. Is this possible and of course the money difference?
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I asked and I believe that Jay answered with saying that it would be a cost of around $300 extra.

fred
 
Hi Jay

Thanks for your great work. I have a question:

Does the Arri MB 20 II come with an arri case?
Same for the FF-4.

Usualy Arri ships its items with their branded cases.
That would be great. These cases can get expensive it we have to buy them seperately.

Thanks for the Infos.

Greets
Tim
 
Hi Jay

Thanks for your great work. I have a question:

Does the Arri MB 20 II come with an arri case?
Same for the FF-4.

Usualy Arri ships its items with their branded cases.
That would be great. These cases can get expensive if we have to buy them seperately.

Thanks for the Infos.

Greets
Tim
 
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