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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Group purchase of Arri Matteboxes

Pricing and Discounts Coming

Pricing and Discounts Coming

I have gotten a pretty large response from both this thread, and by PM.. Of course all of you are asking the same question I would ask:

What's the discount?

Well Arri is working on that right now, and I am pretty sure I will have something to post tomorrow.

I'll keep you all informed.

Jay
 
Craig mentions 3 stages... Would we really need more than 2 filters with RED? I'm thinking a ND and a pola and everything else can be tweaked in post. It just seems counter-productive to stack more glass in front of the lens when it's not going to be necessary with this RAW workflow. OTOH, having the option of extra stages couldn't hurt.
 
Arri (Aust) want to quote on a volume order of MB-20s also so it'll be good to compare!

Dave,
 
I think everyone here wants a competitive price.Will PM you with contact details.

Cheers,
 
Thanks Jay....
couple of things, hadn't got a fixed quote Fri night from Arri Oz so had to tell them they missed the boat this time round...maybe next time!
There's only 2,900 & counting! more Reds to go out the factory door!

On a technical note I think there is a load of stuff people need to know before choosing the right MB configuration...from filter sizes availabilities, filter functions, rod diameters to name a few.

Below is a list of reduser links where some of this has been discussed:

1. Matte Box Woes
2. Matte Box Woes Revisited
3. Matte Box; Options Today
4. Matte Box size for 18-50 and primes
5. POLL - red matte box size
6. 18-50 + Follow Focus + Mattebox options
7. Lens & matte box discussion
8. Cavision MB565U Matte Box - Page 2
9. Redrock mattebox
10. Suggested Filter Package fo RED
11. Best brand for ND filters Tiffen, Formatt or Schneider

Cheers,
Dave
 
After speaking with "our" Arri representative today, he strongly suggested that we all go with the FF-4 and NOT the FF-5. His point is that the five was made for smaller lenses (Like HD). So if you are doing a lot of EFP then the 5 may be for you.. Film-type work should use a 4
Jay
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
After speaking with "our" Arri representative today, he strongly suggested that we all go with the FF-4 and NOT the FF-5. His point is that the five was made for smaller lenses (Like HD). So if you are doing a lot of EFP then the 5 may be for you.. Film-type work should use a 4
Jay
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Yes, I have posted this many times. The FF5 is NOT designed for cine cameras, it is made for Video lenses and does not fully support most cine lenses. It does not work w/ Ultra Primes.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Craig mentions 3 stages... Would we really need more than 2 filters with RED? I'm thinking a ND and a pola and everything else can be tweaked in post. It just seems counter-productive to stack more glass in front of the lens when it's not going to be necessary with this RAW workflow. OTOH, having the option of extra stages couldn't hurt.
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I have been shooting with the camera and YES YOU NEED 3 STAGES!
If you get two you will seriously regret it. If I were buying for myself I would get more than 3.

Shooting a 320 ISO camera outside during the day you need an ND1.2 and another ND just to shoot. I was using 1.2 and .9 everytime I shot outside, and if you want a polarizer in addition, there's your 3 filters. Plus you (or your DP) may want diffusion or other effects filters, grads, color filters etc on top of that. Not all DPs want to leave all the coloring til post when they may or may not be available to be there.
 
Hi Jay

Count me in as well for the mattebox with 3 stage, and FF-4. Not sure which filter size I would go for yet. I own a Vocas 4x4 mattebox at the moment plus a Vocas FF and I want to make sure they aren't suitable for cine lenses on the Red before I invest in a new set up.

Just guessing here that my Red won't ship until Feb/March2008. But it seems to me that this opportunity is too good to miss if the discount is OK. I live in the UK by the way.

Thanks
David
 
Info and Where We Stand

Info and Where We Stand

Sorry I did not get numbers for you as promised. Things suddenly got a "little complicated" and the system slowed down.

I am fairly sure we'll have something by Mon or Tues.

Here are a couple of points:

People are asking about international shipping.. That should not be a problem.

It's a pretty stong point you need to be thinking of a three stage mattebox instead of a two.

If you are using Cine Style lenses and NOT just EFP lenses, then you need to consider a FF-4.. Not 5.

20 Matteboxes is the magic number. If we can hit that, I expect a good discount. I have an idea of what that should be, and I will push hard for it. If we are able to pull off 20 matteboxes (And a large number of Follow Focuses) then we should be looking at some decent savings.

Jay
 
How this will work.

How this will work.

We will be getting savings from two sources:

1. The Vendor
2. Arri

We have not committed to a vendor yet. That will happen when I have a very good idea of how many people are SERIOUS about this purchase. When I know that we'll speak with two. Their discounts won't be major due to a slight markup (This is not a sales gimic, I have confirmed this) but there will be some discount.

Arri will be doing something different: The will give us a percentage of the package cost IN PRODUCT. Not stupid stuff like a nice roll of Gaffer Tape. No, they will be giving things like Filter frames ($200+ value) or adaptors ($300+ value). This is stuff YOU WOULD HAVE TO BUY if you were getting the mattebox. The follow focus is a little trickier, but we're working it out.

So let's say the average cost of a Mattebox is $5,700.00. But Arri may supply you with items in that package for FREE as part of the discount so your purchase will in fact be less. This make sense?

Let's answer a couple of questions you may have:

Can I choose the items I want?:
Most likely not. We will try to stay with things we KNOW 99.99% of you will want.

What if I only want a Follow Focus? How will that work?:
Not sure yet.. I have an idea but we'll see next week.

As long as Arri really steps up and does their best, this could be a cool deal.

Try not to make any predictions, we'll see what they offer. It's in their best interest to be aggressive. We have a lot of choices out there and they know it.

Jay
 
Jendra said:
Shooting a 320 ISO camera outside during the day you need an ND1.2 and another ND just to shoot. I was using 1.2 and .9 everytime I shot outside, and if you want a polarizer in addition, there's your 3 filters. Plus you (or your DP) may want diffusion or other effects filters, grads, color filters etc on top of that. Not all DPs want to leave all the coloring til post when they may or may not be available to be there.
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Yeah, I agree with the 3+ stages the more I think about it.. Just keeping options open and remaining flexible.

I'm not really a fan of stacking NDs. The fewer pieces of glass I can put in front of a lens, the better, but that's just me. When shooting outdoors with RED, instead of bringing a .6, .9 and 1.2 ND, I'd probably bring a 1.5, 1.9 and 2.4.

Same with color or effects filters. I'm more of a post guy and prefer to handle coloring in post. With the RAW workflow, I see no reason to use color filters on the camera as that is more likely to cause problems later than if the coloring was delegated to post. In most situations, I'd prefer to hold off on effects until post as well. There's a lot more freedom to explore options in post if you're working with a clean image and not trying to figure out how to remove some treatment that was recorded optically that the director decides he really doesn't like after all. Of course, there's still some sorts of effects that look a lot better if captured with the camera than when they're created by post processing.

But a lot comes down to the project at hand. What the producer / director want (or think they want), etc..
 
Matte box - FAQ - Part 1

Matte box - FAQ - Part 1

Guys,

Do you mind if I chime in with a FAQ page here. I’ll update/add to it. Tell me when I screw up.

1.2 - Differences - MB 20 vs MB 20-II
The MB 20-II has collapsible top & bottom flags, different side flags and different flag mounting mechanisms to the MB 20.

The MB 20-II base system (as above) with 4 flags is $5,210. (www.filmtools.com)
The MB 20 base system (as above) with 4 flags is $5,830.


1.3 - Comparison Chart of ALL ARRI Matte Boxes ( plus some 3rd party)
http://www.camerafilters.co.uk/page160.html


1.4 - ARRI MB 200-II product pages
Overview page with Arri part configurations diagrams including MB 20 & MB 20-II.
Note: MB-20-II page has changes to MB-20 only!
http://www.arri.com/prod/cam/configuration_overview/index.htm


1.5 - ARRI MB 20 Quick Guide pdf
http://www.arri.com/prod/cam/mb-20/MB-20.pdf


1.6 - MB 20 & MB 20-II prices (Filmtools)
http://www.filmtools.com/arrimb20aks.html


1.7 - RedUser Matte box discussion pages


1. Matte Box Woes
2. Matte Box Woes Revisited
3. Matte Box; Options Today
4. Matte Box size for 18-50 and primes
5. POLL - red matte box size
6. 18-50 + Follow Focus + Mattebox options
7. Lens & matte box discussion
8. Cavision MB565U Matte Box - Page 2
9. Redrock mattebox
10. Vocas mattebox for the red one
11. New Mattebox news




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Matte box - FAQ - Part 2

Matte box - FAQ - Part 2

2 Filters boxes & trays

2.1 Filter Trays
General consensus is to get 2 filter stages plus 1 rotating polarizer filter.

Note: Minimum filter size for Red camera should be 4 x 5.65.
Note: 5.65 x 5.65 can be used for grad filters in horizontal or vertical positions.
Note: Rotating polarizer filter should be round type 138mm filter inserted into bellows, see FAQ section 3.


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2.2 FIXED TRAY CONFIGURATIONS

Note: Fixed tray (4 x 5.6) comes in both horizontal or vertical models.


2.3 COMBO TRAY CONFIGURATIONS

Note: Combo 1 requires (4 x 5.6) fixed matte tray placed in front Combo 1 tray.
Note: You can’t use (4 x 5.6) filters in Combo 2 (5.6 x 5.6) tray.
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Matte box - FAQ - Part 3

Matte box - FAQ - Part 3

3.1 - Red Lenses sizes

- RED 18-50mm: Front - 114mm. Screw-on filter size is 72mm.
- RED 300mm: Front - 117mm. Built-in filter size is 43mm.


3.2 - Red and Arri Rod Adapters


The rod centre spacing of the Arri bridge plate 19mm rods is 104mm and is symmetrical about the optical axis.
The height of the optical axis from the rod centre plane is 120mm.

The rod centre spacing of the Red Bottom plate 19mm rods is 104mm and is symmetrical about the optical axis.
The height of the optical axis from the rod centre plane is 120mm.

The rod centre spacing of the Arri bridge plate 15mm studio rods is 100mm with an optical axis offset of 17.25mm.
The height of the optical axis plane from the rod centre on the 15mm system is 118mm.

The rod centre spacing of the Arri lightweight 15mm rods is 60mm and is symmetrical about the optical axis.
The height of the optical axis from the rod centre on the 15mm system is 85mm.



Reduser Mount discussion pages

Element Technica




3.3 - 19mm Studio Rod Options

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3.4 - 15mm studio rod option

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3.5 - Clamp-on option & additional 19mm and15mm Studio mount options

- Clamp-on option doesn't use rod 15mm/19mm rods. The matte box clamps directly onto end of lens.

- There's also 2 other Arri mounting options which instead of using the Arri 15mm Lightweight support bracket in picture above, they use similiar 15mm & 19mm studio support brackets.

I'll post pics real soon.

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