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GROUP BUY: CAME steadycam 2-15kg >1600USD

GROUP BUY: CAME steadycam 2-15kg >1600USD

  • < 1500USD

    Votes: 79 71.2%

  • < 2500USD

    Votes: 20 18.0%

  • < 3500USD

    Votes: 6 5.4%

  • > 3500USD

    Votes: 6 5.4%
  • Total voters
    111
Brilliant Nick, I can't make it but look forward to reading/watching the results online.

Could you confirm with ProLine that the rig you'll be testing is the same that is on offer in this group buy.
 
roryhinds said:
Brilliant Nick, I can't make it but look forward to reading/watching the results online.

Could you confirm with ProLine that the rig you'll be testing is the same that is on offer in this group buy.
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Hey Rory, the Proline being brought is the "Demo" unit that they've been using for the past 8+ months to show off to perspective buyers...

The one we are being offered is the same, actually better, a "REDuser" edition with added benefits like Red specific cables and adjustable handles for faster set ups...

This is what I know so far, I'm sure David Kellermann or Luciano Reverberi will chime in with the specifics once they are finalized from all of our input/suggestions...
 
It'd be worthwhile to get someone who actually has a real rig (and has actually done commendable steady-cam work) to test the Laing et all, and let us know why and where it doesn't hold up (and where it does). It's very difficult to take a first time operators opinions without a large helping of salt (ignorance is bliss?) For example, Marlon, what were you comparing it to?
 
Mike P. said:
It'd be worthwhile to get someone who actually has a real rig (and has actually done commendable steady-cam work) to test the Laing et all, and let us know why and where it doesn't hold up (and where it does). It's very difficult to take a first time operators opinions without a large helping of salt (ignorance is bliss?) For example, Marlon, what were you comparing it to?
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Yes, we definitely need a working operator to try them out. I believe this is the case, though I would appreciate seeing the reels of the testers, if possible.
 
Another shout out to testers .. I have done a 2-page "BASIC METHOD: TAKING LIFT MEASUREMENTS FROM A “STEADICAM” ARM" (msword doc) which includes clear standard methodology and a data table for input of figures.

It is suggested do a paper printout for the actual test, then electronic input so that results can be circulated and posted to appropriate thread/zzz. If posting or circulating the table with completed results, please save as PDF so it is locked!

The methodology is just a quick draft, and can be tweaked over time, but it could help get some clear indications of arm performance from the immediate testing.

Document via webpage below ... or direct download is: http://cp.org.au/movies/STEADICAM-ARM-LIFT-TESTING-BASIC-METHOD-by-Chris-Poynton.doc

Happy testing!!!
 
This video does nothing to convince me that this rig is capable of getting stable shots. I still haven't even seen it properly balanced yet. Sorry, but how can you sell a steadicam-style stabilizer by showing us wobbly footage? This tells me the rig is either A) very difficult to balance properly or B) being tested and reviewed by unqualified individuals.
 
I was about to buy an upgrade to my creepy G....M but accidentally saw this THING on e-bay and actually realized, that I can buy entirely new system for less. So I got it. it works. Delivery was extremely fast. Doing some preliminary tests. Very promising. I like it. So far my best complain about case quality - it is really cheap, don't think it could survive for year or so. Probably gonna rehouse it to some pelican case later.

I will try to post some video soon.
 
Info on the LA side-by-side ProLine and Laing test are posted in this thread. Contact nickmilo for more details.

Quentin Devillers will test the L'Aigle unit on Monday in Paris. Contact him if you want to join him.

EDIT: The L'Aigle test was postponed.
 
Personally I am happy with all the great comments that have been made by those on this forum who have gone ahead and on their own bought the Laing stabilizers. Also happy with all the footage I have seen so far and this is where my heart is set so any further test will have no bearing on my decision especially at the current price point for this system. My only issue is if there is going to be a newer and improved Laing stabilizer based on comments and recommendations here so I can delay purchase. If the group buy decides to go with another system, especially if it is more expensive than the Laing then I am out of this group buy and will just go ahead and purchase a Laing on my own.
 
Oje Unuigboje said:
Personally I am happy with all the great comments that have been made by those on this forum who have gone ahead and on their own bought the Laing stabilizers. Also happy with all the footage I have seen so far and this is where my heart is set so any further test will have no bearing on my decision especially at the current price point for this system. My only issue is if there is going to be a newer and improved Laing stabilizer based on comments and recommendations here so I can delay purchase. If the group buy decides to go with another system, especially if it is more expensive than the Laing then I am out of this group buy and will just go ahead and purchase a Laing on my own.
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There will be probably two group buys: one expensive system and a customized Laing. So don't worry :)
 
With these test, please could we have them with the Epic/Scarlet + a Cine Lens on (25mm Red Pro Prime would do nicely).

I see a lot of these tests being done with Still Glass which doesn't reflect what the arm would need to carry when you shoot with Cine glass, remote follow focus, video link etc.
 
roryhinds said:
With these test, please could we have them with the Epic/Scarlet + a Cine Lens on (25mm Red Pro Prime would do nicely).

I see a lot of these tests being done with Still Glass which doesn't reflect what the arm would need to carry when you shoot with Cine glass, remote follow focus, video link etc.
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What are the critical weights of these items? Please break down as much as possible, including mattebox, AC monitor ... anything you think you will need on the top stage. Then testers can try and add ballast to simulate this load.
 
Carey Lee Coffey said:
This video does nothing to convince me that this rig is capable of getting stable shots. I still haven't even seen it properly balanced yet. Sorry, but how can you sell a steadicam-style stabilizer by showing us wobbly footage? This tells me the rig is either A) very difficult to balance properly or B) being tested and reviewed by unqualified individuals.
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The footage from Marlon was rolling quite a lot, the hand position at times appeared to be incorrect (i.e. on or above the gimbal) and generally seemed to be a bit of a death grip. Testing in the near future should shed some light on the true weight capacity and the iso-elastic performance of the arm, and whether swapping springs will assist performance.

There are some examples from other early testers (not using heavy rigs like the Red) that to my eye looks about as "rock solid' as you could reasonably expect from the Laing rig. Hopefully these results can be translated upwards to heavier rigs. The following shots indicate that the bearings in the Laing seem to be doing the job, for basic walking shots without too much intricacy, even for a light sled ... so a heavy sled should be more solid and "inert".

Eric Teotico from the Phillipines was one of the first pioneering Laing users in November 2012 and has experimented with various/heavier springs, for about a 4-4.5kg sled for an FS100. He has a good wide-angle shot including tilting EXAMPLE 1 ... and a tighter, impressive 50mm (S35 sensor) lens shot EXAMPLE 2.
 
Chris Poynton said:
The footage from Marlon was rolling quite a lot, the hand position at times appeared to be incorrect (i.e. on or above the gimbal) and generally seemed to be a bit of a death grip. Testing in the near future should shed some light on the true weight capacity and the iso-elastic performance of the arm, and whether swapping springs will assist performance.
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My understanding that Marlon is beginner that concerns steadicam.
As for weight capacity, rigs that you reference (one on testing and Marlon one) is not same as present M-02, it is something in between of M-02C and present M-02, old M-02 design. Springs are also different.
Upcoming M-02 will be even more different.

There are some examples from other early testers (not using heavy rigs like the Red) that to my eye looks about as "rock solid' as you could reasonably expect from the Laing rig. Hopefully these results can be translated upwards to heavier rigs. The following shots indicate that the bearings in the Laing seem to be doing the job, for basic walking shots without too much intricacy, even for a light sled ... so a heavy sled should be more solid and "inert".
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Bearings are selected according to specifications to perfectly hold maximum design weight (15kg).

Eric Teotico from the Phillipines was one of the first pioneering Laing users in November 2012 and has experimented with various/heavier springs, for about a 4-4.5kg sled for an FS100. He has a good wide-angle shot including tilting EXAMPLE 1 ... and a tighter, impressive 50mm (S35 sensor) lens shot EXAMPLE 2.
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Yep, but right now such experimenting is not required. Members who got Laing M-02, got set of different springs, including ones designed for lighter loads.
 
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