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Gemini the best low light cinema camera?

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John O. Hall

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Please answer: If I buy a Gemini, am I buying a upgraded Dragon sensor with upgraded dragon tech/color ect. or am I buying a upgraded (sort of) helium sensor that can see in the dark? My fear is that I'm somehow missing out on a helium color and highlight/DR advantage. If the ONLY difference is resolution, I'm going gemini. Please help.
(Reasons I'm going Gemini: I shoot the c200 at 4K60 RAW 100% of the time. I would bee shooting my new red in slow mo 100% of the time. I love shooting natural/low light. I usually work low budget stuff with no proper lighting crew, one man band ect. I'm constantly at 1600/3200 iso daily. C200 handles this with now problem. Time to upgrade for better slow more and real raw. So hoping that it's the Gemini and not Helium.)
 
John O. Hall said:
Please answer: If I buy a Gemini, am I buying a upgraded Dragon sensor with upgraded dragon tech/color ect. or am I buying a upgraded (sort of) helium sensor that can see in the dark? My fear is that I'm somehow missing out on a helium color and highlight/DR advantage. If the ONLY difference is resolution, I'm going gemini. Please help.
(Reasons I'm going Gemini: I shoot the c200 at 4K60 RAW 100% of the time. I would bee shooting my new red in slow mo 100% of the time. I love shooting natural/low light. I usually work low budget stuff with no proper lighting crew, one man band ect. I'm constantly at 1600/3200 iso daily. C200 handles this with now problem. Time to upgrade for better slow more and real raw. So hoping that it's the Gemini and not Helium.)
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Rent the cams and test yourself would be the best solution. Sounds like there are several Gemini's in the wild now
 
John O. Hall said:
Please answer: If I buy a Gemini, am I buying a upgraded Dragon sensor with upgraded dragon tech/color ect. or am I buying a upgraded (sort of) helium sensor that can see in the dark? My fear is that I'm somehow missing out on a helium color and highlight/DR advantage. If the ONLY difference is resolution, I'm going gemini. Please help.
(Reasons I'm going Gemini: I shoot the c200 at 4K60 RAW 100% of the time. I would bee shooting my new red in slow mo 100% of the time. I love shooting natural/low light. I usually work low budget stuff with no proper lighting crew, one man band ect. I'm constantly at 1600/3200 iso daily. C200 handles this with now problem. Time to upgrade for better slow more and real raw. So hoping that it's the Gemini and not Helium.)
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From what I can tell, its a blend of Dragon and Helium.

It's Helium driven tech (ie Helium Sensor Technology), but with a pixel SIZE that's even BIGGER than Dragon (hence the lowlight ability).

So best of both words.
 
John O. Hall said:
Please answer: If I buy a Gemini, am I buying a upgraded Dragon sensor with upgraded dragon tech/color ect. or am I buying a upgraded (sort of) helium sensor that can see in the dark?
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Neither.

John O. Hall said:
My fear is that I'm somehow missing out on a helium color and highlight/DR advantage.
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?

What is this based on ?
 
I will have mine on Saturday most likely, I also have an Epic-W and Scarlet-W so I can do some side by sides

steve
 
Very specialist and it's only HD but 4,000,000 ISO is pretty crazy - Canon ME20F-SH. Seems like it would be about time for an upgrade, but is it likely there would ever be much more resolution to be gained at that ISO?
 
Can't wait to see the test!
 
Jordan Beard said:
Steve, would love to see a SW/Gemini comparison at iso 800 or below. Gemini obviously excels in low light but I'm curious to see more 'normal' footage from the camera.
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cool yeah I will shoot something in my store front that is very bright with all cameras, it won't be scientific, but I do have some meetings on monday so I will try to do it then, I will toss in the 8K too

steve
 
also the llo lpf lives on my scarlet so take that for what its worth

steve
 
Can’t wait to see your tests Steve! Thanks for doing them.

I’m really interested in seeing some low light comparisons vs Helium AFTER both have been through post noise reduction. I suspect that Helium, with so many more pixels, will handle the noise reduction even better. Might pull closer to Gemini than we might suspect after post NR. No?

Can’t wait to find out.
 
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Sterling Williams said:
My understanding was that the Gemini is not really based on either, that it is it's own beast. Very interested to see more footage (I'm guessing we should start seeing a lot more soon)
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Found some more footage here:

Josh Becker said:
I have had my buddies Gemini alongside my Helium the past few days, but the weather has been a bit crap here (I was hoping to do some sunny outdoor tests) and then I've been juggling a bunch of different stuff and haven't been able to shoot as much as I'd hoped. I did a low-light 5K 96fps test around a campfire at a friend's house, I've been hesitant to post it because it's incredibly unscientific. Basically, I wanted to give myself a "real world" challenge of if I had to match the wide FOV of 5K Gemini at 96fps using my 8K Helium cropped to 5K also shooting 96fps. It's a bit unfair to the Helium because in order to get wide enough, I had to throw on my Tokina 11-16, which is a 2.8 vs the 18-35 at a 1.8. This biggest thing I wanted to see side-by-side was the change in aesthetic. The crop factor+wide angle lens gives you super deep focus compared to the look out the Gemini.

lxqtnf+


I also rolled a couple short test clips of my ugly mug standing in front of both cameras, Helium set to 8K and Gemini set to 5K, both with Sigma 18-35s and Firecrest 1.5NDs, but I have yet to throw them onto my computer, might be able to do that a bit later tonight.

In the meantime, here is my really rough unscientific Vimeo link:
https://vimeo.com/272242416/506b4c8191
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