Gamma & Density's 3cP / RED Workflow Solutions Seminar - January 17th!

[Gamma Density]

GAMMA & DENSITY's Seminar

"IMAGE, COLOR AND WORKFLOW MANAGEMENT SOLUTIONS USING 3CP AND THE RED
CAMERA"

The new 3cP / RED workflow which will increase the technical efficiency and
creativity of all aspects of the cinematographer's work.

Featuring:
New Development! 3cP color corrected dailies for the iPhone!
1. Direct import of .r3d raw camera footage
2. On-set color correction with real time playback
3. The ability to generate dailies for editorial proxies
4. Interface to post-production and DI via DPX and QuickTime intermediates
5. The transfer of color information via ASC CDL and 3D LUTs, plus all the
current features of 3cP.

Come and learn a practical understanding of data-based image capture, image
and color management throughout the production/post-production process, how
to communicate color and “look” information to post-production, and how to
smoothly move and transform the large volumes of image data from the raw
camera capture through dailies to editorial. Each step will be demonstrated
using 3cP connected to RED ONE cameras.

Saturday January 17th, 2009
at the Beverly Garland Hotel. Los Angeles, CA 91602 (www.beverlygarland.com)

Seminar includes breakfast - lunch - parking

go to www.gammadensity.com for detailed agenda, pricing, scheduling,
specifications and registration.


We look forward to seeing you at the seminar! If you have any questions,
please call us at (323) 436-7593 or email at laoffice@gammadensity.com.
Thanks, and have a great holiday!


Just to clarify a bit more about the seminar, because we have had a few
calls/forum posts about the topics of the seminar.

The seminar is about digital workflows in general with a
special focus on the RED camera. We'll be talking about RAW images, de-
bayering, data management, and all the usual suspects in the RED
workflow, including REDalert, REDline, REDcine, ShotPut, Crimson
Workflow, Scratch etc. And we'll have plenty of hands-on time so people can
actually shoot something and try out the workflow instead of just
listening to a lecture.

Gamma & Density Team
www.gammadensity.com
3349 Cahuenga Blvd West, Suite 3
Los Angeles, CA 90068

office +323-436-7593
skype gammadensity

 

[C.H.Haskell]

Can anyone tell me information about this or experience with the software?

 

[Jeff Brue]

They unveiled a rather impressive slate of features today... actually I think that all things considred they probably have the best red paradigm right now. As far as usability and workflow communication amongst top end post houses, there are reasons they have the credit list they do.

 

[egustavo]

I'm currently using a beta version of 3.1 in Canada while prepping for a feature called "Rust". We will be shooting on the Red and using the 3cP system. (FYI, for our workflow, we will likely not have use the system on-set but rather the data wrangler will be pulling frames from each set-up for me to grade after wrap or on our day off.)

So far using it for preproduction has been sensational. I'm taking location photographs and then importing the images into 3cP, color grading them and showing them to the director to see if we're on the same page.

For example, there was some concerns about a day-for-night shot. I took a photo of the location, added a fire and smoke effect using Motion, and then graded the image in 3cP. It looks great and gave the director the confidence to proceed forward with the shot, saving us time and money by not having to light up a huge area in the dark of night.

Just prior to this I used it on a green-screen shoot to insure that the green values we consistent and even throughout and that the contrast ratios on the actors faces were the same from shot to shot.

Granted these two examples can be done by some other methodology, but the 3cP features are task specific for a cinematographer. It's easy and quick to get the feedback you need and see the type of changes you can expect from a colorist. It's so far been an excellent communication tool and I look forward to using it when production starts in a little over a week. I'll write more after the first week of shooting.

Insert the usual disclaimer here that I don't work for 3cP... just a very happy customer.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

I just tried out 3cP.

Very fast and features impressive app in terms of dealing with R3D files.

I'm about to make decision to purchase that soon.

 

[Kaku Ito]

I just tried out 3cP.

Very fast and features impressive app in terms of dealing with R3D files.

I'm about to make decision to purchase that soon.

Great isn't it?

 

[Tico Llaurador]

I've been playing around with the demo version for a few days now and have been very impressed by what I've seen so far. An excellent tool! Wonder how much it costs, though.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Pricing:
3cP/st - $599
3cP/sf - $1997

LINK>>

 

[Kaku Ito]

I want to know more about establishing the calibrated monitoring environment with this tool.

 

[Nick Shaw]

I want to know more about establishing the calibrated monitoring environment with this tool.

Me too. I've been playing with the demo but don't feel able to fully evaluate it, as monitor calibration is disabled in the demo. Given that the main purpose of the software is for colour consistency through a workflow, not being able to test that aspect is slightly frustrating.

 

[Tim Sutherland]

Me too. I've been playing with the demo but don't feel able to fully evaluate it, as monitor calibration is disabled in the demo. Given that the main purpose of the software is for colour consistency through a workflow, not being able to test that aspect is slightly frustrating.

I've used the software extensively and the monitor calibration is not difficult at all. It relies first on the calibration of the monitor via the apple method, then its own internal. It is a similar environment to using the Apple advanced monitor calibration settings, with their chart as a backup at the end of the process.

It recommends using 1.8 gamma, while most people use 2.2 for video, but I've found it to work either way. If you know how to read their chart (i can post instructions if necessary) then you'll get a great result.

So you know, it's not meant to work with a laptop screen as effectively. I have done it, but it's not optimal due to viewing angles, etc. The system is designed to work with an apple cinema display.

I was skeptical of this product before I ever tried it, but now I really don't want to shoot RED without it.

 

[Nick Shaw]

I've used the software extensively and the monitor calibration is not difficult at all. It relies first on the calibration of the monitor via the apple method, then its own internal. It is a similar environment to using the Apple advanced monitor calibration settings, with their chart as a backup at the end of the process.

I don't doubt it's not difficult. I just want to see it in action for myself, and it is disabled on the demo. Their website mentions applying for a temporary license, so I shall probably do that.

You say that you find it works with 1.8 or 2.2 gamma. If the software expects the monitor to be calibrated with a target gamma of 1.8, will the LUTs not produce the wrong result if it is calibrated to 2.2, in the same way that the canvas in FCP does? These are things I feel I need to test for myself.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

The software is great but still buggy (Buggy B or Beta).

 

[Tim Sutherland]

I don't doubt it's not difficult. I just want to see it in action for myself, and it is disabled on the demo. Their website mentions applying for a temporary license, so I shall probably do that.

You say that you find it works with 1.8 or 2.2 gamma. If the software expects the monitor to be calibrated with a target gamma of 1.8, will the LUTs not produce the wrong result if it is calibrated to 2.2, in the same way that the canvas in FCP does? These are things I feel I need to test for myself.

The monitor calibration is not expecting to be put on 1.8 or 2.2 gamma, you change the settings on top of the apple gamma.

The consistency of the monitor calibration comes from their chart system. They have a digital version. The calibration method gets you most of the way there. From that point, you adjust to make sure the chart looks good.

I'm not saying you shouldn't try it for yourself. I'm just saying that it does work well, and will translate to any correctly calibrated post facility in the world. Again, the chart (which is on all outputs as a watermark) ensures the consistency. Because you're basing your settings on the chart the whole way through, your'e okay.

I hope you get a chance to try to the temporary license to see if it fits your needs. I do not work for Gamma and Density, I just like their software. If I sound defensive, or to be pushing the product, it is not my intention, but probably my enthusiasm that comes through. I apologize for any confusion that may cause.

 

[Tai Wah Lim]

The software is great but still buggy (Buggy B or Beta).

Always good to read Sanjin's comments. Can you elaborate a little more on the bugs? Lim

 

[Kaku Ito]

So Tim, thanks for the insights. I think you are explaining that even you set the display at 1.8, by their chart made to target the correct outcome (that means the chart is made to work with gamma 1.8 I guess), you are able to set the monitoring environment so that we don't have to apply LUT in the FCP and the Color. I think that is workable.

Can you point me to apply the temporary license thing?

 

[Tico Llaurador]

The software is great but still buggy (Buggy B or Beta).

Sanjin, I have been testing it for the last few days and haven't come across any noteworthy bugs. Been working great so far over here. I've had problems viewing certain types of material (i.e. XDCAM) but I think I know why and will address that in due time. Right now, it's running on my testing platform.

At any rate, do you care to elaborate on the bugs you've found?

As always, thanks in advance...

 

[Blair S. Paulsen]

We gotta get these two together

We gotta get these two together

I had the opportunity to attend the demo and its the best RedCode ready color continuity environment I have seen to date. Now, if I could just drop the 3cP interface onto Assimilate's real time architecture...hmy:

 

[Tim Sutherland]

I had the opportunity to attend the demo and its the best RedCode ready color continuity environment I have seen to date. Now, if I could just drop the 3cP interface onto Assimilate's real time architecture...hmy:

I think that with an 8-core, 3cP can go real-time, but I believe you have to de-check MAX like in scratch. I'll give an update soon.

 

[Nick Shaw]

Can you point me to apply the temporary license thing?

If you use the demo, and try to access a feature which is disabled, such as CDL export, a window pops up telling you to contact G&D for a time limited demo license.